Solid State vs. Tubes - What if Transistors came first?


What do you guys think?

If transistors came first, and then decades later tubes were invented, would we have any tube amps we would call high end?

Wouldn’t they all fail to reach the height of performance and transparency set by transistor amps?

Best,

E

P.S. I love Conrad Johnson. I'm just wondering how  much of our arguments have to do with timing. 
erik_squires

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I have heard a few Korg audio designs.  No life. 

It's great that we all can choose what we want to listen to still.  Just buy something and keep this hobby alive folks!
I have only used tubed audio components since the late 1970's.  I still have yet to find a modern SS/Digital amplification device that I would retire my valves for, but I will always remain open to anything that sounds better to my ears.  Still waiting.....  With new and modernizing tube manufacturing facilities, the NOS supply drying up is less of a worry.
glupson wrote

09-12-2018 12:05pm
"You don’t have to know anything about engineering to understand this- its purely economic. If tubes were really inferior, they’d be gone, but the marketplace keeps them around."
Not many major electronic products seem to use tubes anymore. Not even in this minuscule "audiophile" world. I would dare to say that, even as dependent on electronics as it is, an average Western world household does not have one single tube inside the house/apartment. What the heck, make it any world. It is pure economics, indeed.

Tubes may be surviving as a niche product for a few enthusiasts and that is who they are being made for. They have not died, despite them actually needing replacement quite often, because there is a market for them and that market is negligible when talking about economy. There are many products that survive because of people who cherish them for whatever reason despite significant flaws. Tubes are one of them.

I am all for tubes, but saying they are not an obsolete technology is a bit of over-optimistic stretch of imagination. Ask anyone younger than 40 about tubes. Chances are they will not have any idea what you are even talking about, much less have ever seen or used one."


Oh and this same sentiment was said for the lowly LP..... Where is the CD today compared to LP’s? Tube’s, like vinyl is in its 2nd renaissance. We have more tube production today than at any point since the learly 70’s. People that care to listen without bias can easily hear that tubes are superior, when designed properly. Ask John Curl. I talk to John from time to time still and he is quite open about this fact. I will be seeing him in Denver in the Parasound or Constellation room during this coming RMAF and if you would like to attend you can ask him and find out for yourself. He is as open and honest as the day is long.

It is a simple mind that only sees what it wants to see.


Tubes were a step along the way to where we are today, which is not tubes to any meaningful extent worth mentioning anywhere but circular threads on "audiophile" forums. There was no sign of tubes on today's Apple conference and Bose does not seem to use them either.

Thank God Apple and Bose are not responsible for what hi-fi is or will become.  Even the Millenials are discovering vinyl in huge numbers along with valves.  Mid-Fi is what is not happening anymore.

  Apple is a marketing company, not a hifi company.  Their guiding and driving force is now gone. Bose......I forgot they even existed to be honest.