So many great golden era DD tables out there, what do you recommend for $1000?


Pretty much as the title says.
Have been looking for a while for a decent DD table to add to my lot.
Have bought a few lower end ones and ultimately been dissapointed.
Now I know there were/ are literally hundreds of choices from the Japanese Golden era of DD tables.
Looking for suggestions from actual owners of solid DD tables up to about $1000 .
I have read and read but nothing substitutes for real experience.
This would likely not be my primary table, my Garrard 401 has that position for now.

Thank you.
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Great stuff Bill.
And yes you are absolutely correct, the export model was in Black.
Mine is a Japanese model in wood and at 100vac.
As far as headshell I bought two JVC branded items off eBay and both work just fine.
One looks identical to my OEM one, the other is slightly more meaty and heavier. Which is a good thing as it opens up cartridge options.
Mine is playing right now, have a vintage Glanz mfg610 mi Cart on it ATM.
Responds really well to better carts, that 7045 tonearms is a mighty fine factory effort.
A little droop at the counterweight stub is very common, mine has a tiny angle to it.
I would not worry overmuch if it is slight.
Best to just enjoy the music!
Well can I have his number? Lol.
Seriously though as you now have found out it is really a Victor TT-71 packaged up for sale as a JVC unit with a semi automatic version of the UA-7045 tonearm.
I hope you are using it with a step down transformer?
As far as I am aware the QL-A7 was a Japan home market only offering at 100vac, thought the USA version had a slightly different name but I could be wrong.
What cartridge are you running on it?
QL-A7 for $250??
Who did you have to kill for that deal?
😲😲😲😲
Seriously that's a righteous buy!

Enjoy.
I did actually" fix"Β  the annoyance a while ago.
Inverted commas as I hope it is a long term fix.

I remembered a few years back I had an old Sony semi auto table doing similar although more erratic actions at end of play.

The cure was to manually move the tonearm as far across as possible which appeared to reset the stop position.

This subsequently appears to have worked on the QL-A7 as well.

Touch wood since doing this I have had no instance of premature shut down on any album including some near 30 minute long sides with very small remaining run out groove.
El cheapo experiment this morning.
Bought a Spanish reading course from the charity shop, 5 x 78rpm 10 inch records to play with.

I tried a plain 78 and then a 78 I fixed some felt dots to the surface to replicate the raised dot mats I have seen .
Nice to have the on the fly vta adjust for quick easy changes.

Tbh to my ears I like the sound of the plain 78 underneath.
So maybe that means an acrylic platter mat may be to my taste.
Oh well only $20 to buy one and see if I can successfully turn it down to 293mm.
Halcro.
Good to know, the multiple Rega replacements of the glass with acrylic platter would seem to indicate that would have been the result.
Even though the genuine Victor glass mat would be cool as a period accessory, it seems it cannot fly as a SQ accessory!
Gallus
Did you ever look at the Manley Skipjack.
It appears it might serve as a multiple phono switch, after all it was made by Manley!
However I have decided to not pursue that route for now as with the new to me TT81 mounted in its huge by large plinth I do not have the room for more than that and the Garrard 401 in its equally huge by large plinth .
So the TT71 is now a "back up" TT.
Halcro
What did you think of the glass mat?
Read a few articles that say acrylic was much better than glass as a full platter but hard to find anything referring just to a mat.
The one I am looking at weighs 1kg so about 2lb 3oz approx.
Was the cu180 much heavier than that?

I guess I could also buy an acrylic mat, Chuck it up and try to whittle od down 2 mm as well......
Lewm.
Even prior to this I have had my eye out for one for quite some time.
Never seen one for sale yet though.

However I have just seen a genuine Victor glass platter mat for sale.
Anybody have any experience with a glass platter or platter mat and just how they sound?
Very intrigued by the concept.
Thank you Timeltel!
Of course the trick is FINDING a BA mat to purchase!
Would be nice to hear from a few other 71/81 owners out there as to what they are using as well.
Looks like Soundeck actually make one at 292mm diameter which is for a Linn.
Bit pricey at $140 from the UK.
Any alternatives anybody knows about?
Thank you
But more the question is what mat actually fits the platter?
All aftermarket mats I have seen are 295mm diameter.
These do NOT fit into the machined recess on the 71 or 81 which is approx 293mm.
So either other users have the mat sitting on top of the machined lip or there are some special mats out there that fit into this recess?
I tried one of my cork mats and it obviously bowed heavily towards center as the edge rests on the lip which is proud.
I guess a solid acrylic mat would just sit on the lip and not say into the center ....until I added my clamp.
Surely someone has come across this?
What do people here do for a platter mat on the tt71 & 81?
The OEM platters with the raised lip do not allow flush fitment of any of the platter mats I have.
Only the original rubber mats fit down in the recess.
Google is your friend... Lol.
The Manley Skipjack was the unit.
Supposed to have been capable of handling phono duties with some very impressive specifications.

Of course only used to be had now and seem to be in the region of $750 to $1000.

Something to think about and keep a weather eye out for.
Lewm.
I did find a review where they used the as4 for the exact purpose of phono switching. It was for a table with 3 tonearm but same principle.

They did say they were fairly confident some SQ degradation was audible.

I thought Manley did make a high quality switchbox at one time? Seem to remember price was up there around $1700 or so?
Got the time this morning to set up the TT81 with a Glanz cartridge for now.
Hard to say at this stage if it is much different to the TT71.
I do like the arm though, very well built and very easy to set up and the VTA on the fly is simplicity itself.
My micro seiki ma505ls on the Garrard 401 also has VTA on the fly but the 7082 is a more elegant system and a little easier to adjust while music is playing.

I really need to stop looking at Audiogon and eBay classifieds now...….Β 
About where my thoughts lay.
Well the sut has two inputs so will leave at that.
Note to self ..... Don't be lazy!
I basically now have three very nice tt that I like the sound and operation of each one set up in my main rig.
So here are my next questions.
I am thinking of having all three plugged into say a high quality passive switching box so I can easily swap from one to the other without changing cable inputs on my phono which only has one input.
The question is would anybody consider this to be potential detrimental move regarding sq by signal degradation or?
Does anybody do this themselves here?
And lastly would anybody have a suggestion for a high quality switch box that would work for three tt inputs?
Thanks
I guess you were so right on the tt-81.
I struck a deal for it.
Oh well it's only money.
Lewm
Yes I agree the auto shutoff is not a feature I would search out to own but the TT has it and I want to adjust it, I will do some research but sometimes members here can be more helpful than any manual.

And I suspect you are right on the tt81......
Question for any member that may know.

I am finding that my QL-A7 is auto stopping/ lifting the tonearm a little prematurely for some records.
Now we are talking in the realm of only quarter inch of run off left, so it is albums that are pushing the content envelope per side that are my problem.

So does anyone know how that shut off may be adjusted so the tonearm can travel a little further before game over?
And of course after you have bought something, a very desirable tt pops up right here, very nice looking vintage TT-81 for a fair price considering it includes a dual tonearm plinth and a nice tone arm imho.

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9i7be-jvc-victor-tt-81-turntable-motor-cl-p2-base-and-ua-7082-t...
Sweet looking tt Catmandude, thank you for sharing.
My Garrard 401 uses a micro seiki ma505ls arm and it is without doubt one very nice arm when in good shape, love the on the fly vta adjustment if it is set up correctly.

Enjoy the table, it certainly looks good and clean.
Obviously you have both reading and compression issues.
Your comments are not warranted, wanted or desired.
I quite happily have all bases covered.
Garrard 401. Idler.
JVC QL-A7. DD.
Sony PS-LX22. BD.

Last one is cheap and cheerful but does the job in my second system.

Both the Garrard and the JVC have their plus and minus points. Hard to decide which I prefer in the main rig do just going to leave both ready to rock!

Received the step down today.
99.8 and 99.9vac from the twin receptacles so good to go.
Very happy with this JVC QLA7 TT and have a vintage nos Glanz cart in it right now and possibly a little light in the bass but very detailed and punchy.

Hopefully all set for a while.
Famous Last words.

And they are last words.
Thanks for the fish and so long.
Ciao
Lewm.
Have you not run into our triplicate friend before?
It is quite funny to read his posts at times just for that element
The arm does indeed look like the 7045.
However ZERO playtime yet as still waiting for the stepdown transformer to arrive and I am NOT taking any chances.
Has given me chance to clean it inside, although it was very clean looking internal already , but Deoxit never hurts!
Set it up with a NOS Glanz cartirdge so will be ready to hit the ground running when the stepdown shows up.
Hopefully this week although I am out of town for work all week anyway.
Bimasta.

All I meant was that there were/ are hundreds of Golden Era TT to choose from.

Not necessarily that there were also hundreds of GREAT ones to choose from.

Sorry for the confusion.
Yes
110 -130 v input
100v output as per picture.
I chose that one as well as it has two outlets.
You know just in case I feel down the down I need 6 TT instead of 5......
Yes
Plenty of Japanese step downs.
Spent a bit more at $33.😁😁
120w power so should be plenty.
Best Groove
Kind of my thoughts, 20% over voltage is on the high side and I would HATE to burn up that tt71 motor!!

Looks like plenty on eBay from $25 and up.
My QLA7 was delivered this morning, hooray!

Of course I had to try it as is right away!

So just sitting on the rug on my floor, with its original rubber platter mat and supplied AT mm cart I gave it a MoFi record of I, Robot by Alan Parsons.

Freaking spectacular!

Can't wait to see what it can do on a proper stand and a decent platter mat and a vintage MM cart.

But it's off to Dallas unfortunately for work for the rest of the week so no more until Saturday.
.😞😞😞😞

However a question.
It is Japanese market 100v.
What is general thoughts on this?
Use a good step down or?
My home power is about 121v so a good 20% over voltage.

Thx.
Anything DD goes as far as I am concerned Greg.
Be interesting to hear your thoughts on it.

My second system TT is a Sony PS-LX22.
Which is about as cheap and cheerful a DD TT as you can get on paper.
But with its original Sony MM cart running through my vintage Sanyo receiver it sounds pretty darn good.
MUCH better than a Kenwood KD2100 belt drive TT that was just flat in comparison with supposedly superior vintage AT mm carts tried on it.
Grand total cost of $38 shipped from fleabay.... Lol.
Exactly Best Groove.

But as I have said it is all good as I LOVE hearing about vintage DD TT because I am sure this will not be my last foray.
So the more information and knowledge the better as far as i am concerned.
Raul.
Yes it is true I have bought the QLA7.
However I am still always interested and intrigued by the plethora of great vintage DD TT still out there.
All great knowledge for the future.
The Japan only market is certainly fascinating and I did peruse HiFiDo in English as well.
A dangerous site I fear..... Lol.
Greg
I plan to mass load and damp the plinth on my QLA7 for sure, what did you use?
I guess you are happy with those footers?
I will check them out.

I will be trying various carts on it to see what sounds best to my ears.
Also going through a Chinook.
Why? A new table from Clearaudio sounds so much better!
Β Lol.
You may have missed the point a little.
But it's all good!

πŸ‘πŸ‘
Raul
We are Audiophools and are rarely ever satisfied for long...lol.
Nature of the game!

Time will tell
Vegasears.
Think I said I was underwhelmed with a couple of my DD TT purchases early on, lol. But you are likely correct, nobody likes to admit they were wrong!

Bestgroove.
The rubber for counterweight is a question I asked the seller and he confirmed was in good shape and pictures show it sitting level not drooping.
Feet may well be a different story but can always use aftermarket isolation feet possibly.

We will see.

Raul.

Cannot buy them all and on this go round I chose the QLA7.
No sleight intended to fans or advocates of any other table.
I fully realise I am not and will not be buying into the best vintage DD tech available.
However I do not think the Yamaha GT750 is better than the JVC QLA7, rather more similar than one being " much" better.
However it all depends on how you even define " better"?.

I will likely add some mass and damping to the JVC plinth so sort of answers the table mass point.
Who truly knows which arm is better?
I will see what my money has got me soon enough!
Cmon Chak
Thats just plain silly!

There have been leather and deerskin mats for sale and been used for donkeys years!
Its not new at all!
Not seen pigskin previously but not really much different in idea.
Might be pulling the trigger on a JVC QL-A7.
Looks good and priced very right imho.
So far thanks to the many great contributions here I have a fairly short, short list of possible tables.
Kenwood KD500/550/600.
JVC, QL-7/A7
Victor tt71/81
Micro Seiki DD7/8
Denon DP-60/62/80

Now I am sure that some of those are out of my self imposed price bracket like the dp-80 although that also seems to have the most universal thumbs up so it might be time to make the hard call and dig deeper into the pockets!