Snake oil, fraud, confirmation bias


It is becoming increasingly apparent that many threads about legitimate topics devolve into one or more of the contributors here making claims of snake oil, fraud, or confirmation bias thereby derailing the conversation beyond the valid and relevant thread topic and this is getting ridiculous. For anyone here who honestly holds the position that there is snake oil and fraud in the world of Music Reproduction Systems I challenge them to prove their claims in court it should be an easy task based on the claims they make here in Audiogon  AND they will make a fortune because in the US once proven they can file a class action suit and profit enormously from the efforts of others to deceive. These people regularly claim that "there is no evidence" that things such as cables or fuses make a difference when in actual fact Audiogon is filled with evidence that these things make very real differences in Music Reproduction Systems of course those who claim fraud reject that evidence as "confirmation bias" but in absence of any documentation from them they are only repeating the claim they have made so many times that has been refuted many times here by those who have demonstrated to there satisfaction that they make a difference.   I think in actual truth the real fraudsters here are those that repeatedly make these claims of snake oil and fraud and often they have no experience to back up there claims they simply say the claims are impossible!
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Maybe an additional cables Agon forum might be the answer. Cables 2.0 or something or other.
Here is how Audio Asylum handles it. It works. It works quite well.

The Cable Asylum is for those who have decided that audio cables make a sonic difference. If you do not feel that audio cables do sound different, then do not post here. Posts that state that audio cables sound the same, or that all one needs is zip cord and/or dimestore coax, may be deleted, re-directed or other actions taken at the sole discretion of the moderators or the Bored. If you post more than one such post, you may be banned from the Cable Asylum.

There are other forums for those who wish to argue or discuss DBT’s or whether cables sound the same.



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@geoffkait ,

I do not have any opinion one way or the other on fuse directionality. I do not have any personal experience listening to the direction of a fuse. Now that’s out of the way.

I notice you never try to inject fuse directionality on the Cable Asylum. We both know in short order a Bored Member would chime in and tell you to take to another AA forum. Come to think of it, I haven’t seen a post of yours on the Cable Asylum for quite awhile.

https://www.audioasylum.com/audio/cables/bbs.html
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@kosst_amojan,
You won't see geoffkait posting about fuse directionality  on the Cable Asylum.

You won't see a posted message asking do cables really sound different?
Are cables just snake oil?
Will I really hear a difference between ICs?

Here is what you will see.
 https://www.audioasylum.com/audio/cables/bbs.html

Those posting on the Cable Asylum already know they can hear a difference in cables. They are not going there to have someone try to change their minds telling them no you can't.




@geoffkait,


jea48
@geoffkait ,

I do not have any opinion one way or the other on fuse directionality. I do not have any personal experience listening to the direction of a fuse. Now that’s out of the way.

>>>>>>That’s weird. I thought everyone had an opinion on such a controversial topic. 😳 Have you checked for a pulse recently?

jea48 said:

jea48
@geoffkait ,

I do not have any opinion one way or the other on fuse directionality. I do not have any personal experience listening to the direction of a fuse. Now that’s out of the way


geoffkait response:

>>>>>>That’s weird. I thought everyone had an opinion on such a controversial topic. 😳 Have you checked for a pulse recently?



@geoffkait,

No geoffkait, not everyone is obsessed with fuse directionality as you are.

Just curious geoffkait, what personal listening experience do you have with fuse directionality? What piece of your audio system equipment did you find that made the biggest difference?

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hifiman5 said:

@jea48 Why should Geoff or anyone else want to involve themselves with Audio Asylum? ugh. The format there is crazy!

@ hifiman5,

Hardly. 9524 posts.

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As for the format, it’s an acquired taste.
https://www.audioasylum.com/audio/general/bbs.html
At first I had trouble following posts until it finally started making sense to me.
I prefer the classic format.

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