Small sub

Looking for a subwoofer to try with monitors. Needs to be quite small and must be fast/articulate. Will be for 2 channel only.
Call Thiel, they have "one".
Velodyne Mini-Vee about 1 foot cube 8" driver 1000 watt class d amp. More here:
I use 2 Velodyne SPLR 8s - less than 12" cube. They're quite good, but from my research it seems that small subs always trade some performance for size at any given price point. Thus, the SVS subs at $600 per offer much better performance on overall key specs (extention, distortion AND group delay) than any small sub at any price. Now, can you hear the difference? That one I can't help you with.


PS - the little REL subs test well for group delay ("fast") but pretty horribly on extention and distortion.
I second the Mini-Vee. I am using a pair. One under each of my large monitors. They are able to keep up with the large monitors.It is if I made the 3-way monitors into 4-ways.
if you can fit a jl audio fantum 112, it is the best sub out ther in what I cansider a small size. Trouble is a sub has to move air which by definition means some size. JL cheats a little since they have one of the longest throughs on the market. I also like velodyne alot. Personally I don't do small subs I never found one that wasn't to much of a compromise. the f112 is the smallest I would go.
I know the JBL L8400 isn't a brand name to deserve to be mentioned here but I'm curious if anyone has experienced with it? If possible, how is it (in many aspects) compare with the MiniVee?

I'm too looking for a small subwoofer (in CHERRY color) mainly for music. My room size is 16x16x8.

James SW20,
What's your room size?
I use a M&K KX12 with my spendors,it is a great little sub.It is always on ebay for $400.00 new with shipping give it a try.
Von Schweikert VR1 is what you described.
I hate small subs. My sunfire actually danced around when pushed hard. To get good performance out of a tiny box is hard. Also, even though they are small, it doesn't mean that you can just "hide" it. Shoving it in a corner or under something else will hurt the sound.

I had much better sound out of an 8" energy than the sunfire. The energy didn't try to compensate for lack of size or power. However, once going to a 15" velodyne, I'll never go back.
Good point for your sub you need to consider room volume H x W x D = cu ft. This is important you need a big enought sub to pressureise the room or it will be point less, actually you shouldn't determine the sub size the room should. Also you need a big enought cone to get the low notes 21 hrtz is usally good watch the specs on small subs they just never sound deep to me ot the ones that get that low have big distortion at volume. Last there is a guy you may want to google craig's subs he seems to of dedicated his life to nothing but testing subs.
Hey Y'all,

MJ Acoustic. Small, somewhat powerful, depending on which one you purchase, and they go very low. I'm running two Reference 150 Mk IIs. The power is rated at 150 watts and they go down to 13 Hz at -3db. Dimensions are 11.8"W X 14"H X 11.8D. They are made by the original crew that made Rel in the UK before Rel moved their manufacturing to China. They are very easy to set up. You can find more info through the industry directory here on the 'Gon.........John
Check out the review on the Totem Acoustic Storm sub:

Affordable Audio - Aug 2007:
Ive owned a Totem Thunder three times in the last 5-6 years: highly recommended!
PMC TLE1 has dual 6 1/2 inch drivers and a flat frequency response down to 22Hz. It's not a square box but a slim rectangular box that may fit your criteria of being small. It pumps out quality bass with the internal Bryston amps rated at 150W and totally kills my Dali SWA-12 with a 12" driver. Big drivers don't necessarily guarantee better quality bass or the ability to go lower down the frequency ladder.
You need to define "small" and then define your bass needs (frequency, level, distortion). You may (likely) find that they are mutually exclusive.
This is for those that suggested the Mini-vee. Is it musical? Consider I have set it in perfect condiction such location, room design, x-over, etc., will I be able to hear all diff notes from the Bass guitar or the double bass instrument?
In theory, 2000 watts is a lot of power, therefore, its coil, suspension foam, and all other material ought to be firm and hard which describe a little favor to HT category; big power for shaking the ground.
A simple good, great, or highly recommend suggestion is left some doubt in me to pull the trigger.
Has anyone tried the Mosscade subs?
Musical enough to keep up with Maggies!!!!
It depends on your room size as much as anything. I use a Martin Logan Dynamo, which is a one foot cube and has a 10" driver. It works very well for two channel purposes, but it would never work in my HT setup, where I use the much larger ML Depth(i). There are many variables, i.e. crossover points, etc. that must be dealt with. I just run my Merlin monitors full range and have the Dynamo fill in underneath the Merlin's lowest rated frequency. This method works very well in MY system. However, if your goal is to use a crossover point above your monitors lowest frequency, the integration becomes much trickier. If this is your goal, I would suggest the velodyne subs (SPL class and higher) that have built in EQ.
I'll back up what Cruz123 has to say...

I have (2) ML Dynamos in my system and love them. They have a variable crossover point down to 30 Hz and can be run at speaker-level. I definately agree that these are not "HT Subs", but they work very well for 2-channel. The larger ML subs are nice, too, as well as REL subs.
REL acoustics q108e might be a good choice. I have one on order now from Gateway Sound in GA (they were great to work with!) to match with my Spendor s3/5r's. I will let you know how it works.
i will second the thiel recommendation. i use the first model, sw1 which is now called ss2 or something like that...tightest sub i have heard and unlimited so far for my needs...