Small room electrostat/ planar speaker?


In about 30 days will be moving to a new home where its going to be hard to make my 1.7 maggies work in a spouse friendly way ( the only large room is the main living room). I've always gravitated to planars and electrostatics, box speakers that don't sound colored or slow usually cost more than my entire system. Where I'd like to end up is a system that's extremely resolving at low to moderate volume levels, my main dissatisfaction with my current Mg 1.7 speakers and Prima Luna amp is that it really doesn't come to life until the volume is moderate listening levels or higher.

I'm wondering if anyone has seen something that approaches the coherency and speed of the 1.7s that would work in an 11x12 listening room? I'd like to keep the cost limited to $4k if possible.
128x128davide256

Showing 13 responses by bdp24

@clio09, I have a nice pair of the LFT-4 I could let go. Research that model, and if you're interested maybe we can do some horse trading!

For a while I was searching for a pair of the ET LFT-6, the biggest panel Bruce made. Over 6' tall, each panel contained three of the LFT drivers, two of the ribbon tweeters. The only pair I found for sale were in Asia, and the shipping plus not being able to hear them scared me off.

@aniwolfe, I think the same about the LFT-16a, a miniature version of the LFT-8. I've mentioned them a few times, but it takes a certain amount of independent thinking and self confidence to even consider them. A lot of people need confirmation (;-), and end up buying Maggies.

@clio09---Thanks for the tip! I didn't get my 200 until after Brooks croaked. I'll give Sheila a call, maybe they have a set of the RAM 6550's left. Brooks carried a lot of great brands that don't get a lot of attention---Eminent Technology, Music Reference, BEL, Spendor, Oracle, and the better known VTL and Jadis.
Wish I still lived in San Jose! I'd be up at his place in Berkeley/Oakland a lot. Roger is one of the great designers in Hi-Fi, criminally under-appreciated. I own one of his RM-200 MK.2 amps.
@clio09--- ah, but you can! Since the m/t panel and the woofer each have their own speaker cable binding post, one can simply disconnect the woofer right on it’s post. Any separate, outboard woofer may then be used in it’s place, assuming it’s response extends to 180Hz, the frequency of the crossover. And as the x/o is a simple 1st-order, a capacitor can be installed in the woofer’s power amp to provide the filtering---no electronic x/o required.

@yyzsantabarbara , I'm going to guess your call was to Brooks Berdan Ltd. It was Brooks who turned me on to the ET's, and his widow Sheila, who now runs the business, from whom I bought my pair. The stands Sound Anchors makes for the LFT-8's are well worth their modest cost (a couple hundred bucks).

You're correct in thinking the speaker is one that can be listened to at moderate spl. Maggies need to be cranked up a bit more to "open up". 

@yyzsantabarbara , I, like aniwolfe, toe-in the LFT-8b’s a lot, aiming them right at the listening position. That positioning is normal to me, as my main speakers for years were the original Quad ESL’s. Severe toe-in minimizes the amount of side wall reflections, which is important in a small room. You want all sounds except those from the front of the speaker reaching your ears delayed in time (relative to the direct sound) 10ms or more. That is the amount of time our ear/brain mechanism requires for two sounds to be perceived as separate events. Anything less than 10ms, and the delayed sound is perceived as a smearing of the direct sound, rather than ambiance.

The 3’ that aniwolfe recommends as the minimum distance the ET’s should be from the wall behind them is the common wisdom for all dipole speakers, not just the ET’s. 5’ is even better, if the room allows it. The reason for that is the 10ms figure; with a planar positioned 5’ from the wall behind it, the speaker’s rear wave takes 5ms to reach that wall (sound travels at approximately 1’ per ms) and be reflected off it, another 5ms to arrive back at the speaker. That rear/reflected sound is now delayed in time 10ms behind the same signal from the front of the speaker. Your ears hear the direct sound from the front of the ET’s, and then the rear wave 10ms later---mission accomplished! This is an over-simplification, as when the panels are not parallel to the wall behind them the rear wave will be reflected off first the sidewall behind the speaker, then the rear wall, then perhaps the opposite side wall, finally reaching the listening position. Some people like diffusion behind dipole/planar speakers, others absorption. A bright room will benefit from absorption, a dull one with diffusion.

The LS50 is good for small rooms because of it’s coaxial driver; separate midrange drivers and tweeters need a certain amount of distance to "congeal" by the time their sound reaches the listener, but the coax driver in the LS50 doesn’t. One benefit of the unusually wide bandwidth of the ET’s LFT midrange driver (180Hz to 10kHz!) is the same as that of a coax---one driver and no crossover for the entire midrange (and more). Yes, a coax is really two drivers, but those drivers in many ways behave as one. The LFT-8b is 5’ tall, but only 13" wide. It doesn’t overpower a small room the way larger planars do (none more so than the 3-panel Magneplanar Tympani, which is 4’ wide!). For very small rooms, ET offers the LFT-16a, a monitor-size speaker containing the LFT driver, a ribbon tweeter, and dynamic woofer.

One criticism of the original LFT-8 was it’s high frequency output, which was somewhat lower than many other speakers. The LFT has a 3-position tweeter hookup provision, which allows the tweeter’s output level to be selected. Some listeners thought that even at the highest setting, the LFT-8’s tweeter output was too low. Bruce Thigpen made a change to his ribbon tweeter, it’s location of the speaker’s baffle, and the speaker’s x/o. The change resulted in a new model designation, the LFT-8a. The only other change to the LFT in it’s entire history was to a better low frequency driver---an 8" dynamic woofer in a sealed enclosure. That resulted in the only other model designation change to the speaker, to the current LFT-8b.

The LFT-8b has a nominal impedance of 8 ohms, but the LFT driver/ribbon tweeter combo presents an 11 ohm load to the power amp. The speaker has dual binding posts, one for the panels (LFT driver and ribbon tweeter), the other for the woofer. The panel’s 11 ohm load makes it much more tube-friendly than the other magnetic-planar loudspeaker---the Magneplanar, of course. The LFT-8b is not "ruthlessly revealing" (a euphemism for bright/forward), so can be paired with a good solid state amp. Because of the dual binding posts, if one chooses to do so the speaker can be run with a tube amp on the m/t panel, a solid state on the woofer. That makes possible the use of a pair of moderately-powered amps, but if one wants to use a single amp, a good hundred watter should be sufficient for all but the largest rooms. The same can not be said of Maggies (I’ve owned four pair of them, including the Tympani-IVa’s I currently own), which can use as much power as you throw at them.

One of the remarkable things about the Eminent Technology LFT-8b speakers is that it's "midrange" panel covers the frequency range of 180Hz to 10,000Hz, with no crossover! The 1st-order filter at 180Hz hands off to a sealed-box 8" woofer, and the 1st-order filter at 10,000 to a ribbon tweeter. All for $2499 retail.
tomic601, you must mean the Eminent Technology LFT-8b? That speaker is 5' tall and 13" wide and deep, so might be too big for the op's room. It was for that reason I suggested it's smaller brother, the LFT-16, a monitor-size speaker.
Good point, aniwolfe. And though probably not called for by the LFT-16a, using a moderately powered ss amp on the dynamic woofers of the LFT-8b and the same in a tube amp on its m-p panels is optimal. The panels themselves present an about 11-12 ohm load to the amp when separated. They deserve and respond to superior amplification!
Rocktown---While almost always true, their actually IS one way to subwoof a dipole loudspeaker successfully---with a dipole subwoofer! Gradient made one for the QUAD 63, and there is now one available for all planars. In fact, for all speakers in general. It is the product of a joint effort between Brian Ding of Rythmik Audio and Danny Richie of GR Research. It, like the Gradient, and also like the woofer section of the Linkwitz LX521, uses a pair of dynamic woofers mounted on an open-baffle H- or W-frame, commonly facing in opposite directions, though they don't have to be. The driver/baffle arrangement allows the woofer to have the same dipole radiation characteristics as planar speakers, with a null to either side. The woofers therefore don't "load" and pressurize the room the way sealed and ported subs do, sounding as lean and clean as do dipole speakers. The open-baffle design also prevents the woofers from having a resonant box to clutter up their sound---no bloat, no boom. The Rythmik/GR Research Sub also has Brian Ding's Direct Servo-Feedback system (found in all the Rythmik subs) keeping the woofers under tight control. A VERY special subwoofer!

Great minds think alike, aniwolfe. Take a look back at my 4-19 post. I also have the larger LFT-8b, a ridiculously under-owned design that completely clobbers the Maggie MG1.7. Some prefer the LFT-8 to even the 3.7, which sells for more than twice as much. But for anyone with a room too small for the 8b (or the 1.7), the 16a is the speaker to get. Not many Eminent Technology dealers though, which is a shame.

The most brilliant sub-woofer ever designed is Bruce Thigpen’s Rotary, which I would dearly love to own. The man may be a genius; if not, at least one of the greatest creative minds in the entire history of Hi-Fi. And barely talked about! J. Peter Moncrieff’s IAR review of the Rotary Woofer is, as usual, a chore to read through, but worth the effort. Pure brilliance, I tells ya!

Eminent Technology makes a little monitor-sized version of their magnetic-planar/dynamic woofer hybrid, the LFT-16a. Like all things from the mind of Bruce Thigpen, under-owned and appreciated.