Siemens -Halske 6922

I was wondering if any of you have had personal listening experiences with these babies in your rigs? I would appreciate a discription of the tube's signature, likes/dilikes, the whole nine... thanks, warren :)
Hi, I have had experience with Siemens tubes. I actually prefer the 7308 version to the 6922. I have found Siemens tubes to be very open, detailed, and transparent. I previously had a CAT SLl MK lll preamp, and the Siemens 7308 was the best sounding and most durable for the phono section.

I have found through extensive tube rolling, that each time I change a component, I find myself trying every version to get the best sound for that particular piece of audio gear.

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One of my favorite tubes I rotate these in my pre and phono, not a warm tube but very detailed top to bottom tends to move soundstage frontward. If your system leans to brightness may want to look other NOS options
Neutral, accurate, uncolored tubes. Available as E88CC (6922 equivalent), E188CC (7308 equivalent - higher tolerances built to last 10,000 hours) and CCa (select high-tolerance 6922).

As has been said many times, the CCa is the best of the bunch. Expansive sound. Extended highs. Neutral across the frequency band. What else would you expect from a German product? Can be microphonic and/or noisy (go figure considering they are special "select" tubes).

The E88CC I have owned had slightly more emphasized bass than E188CC versions. Both have similar characteristics to the CCa, but once you hear a CCa it's tough to settle for the E88CC or E188CC if you can get past the price objection.

As Dennis said, the highs on all the Siemens tubes can be too much of a good thing. Part of the CCa's magic is that it gets right up to the edge of being bright, yet it resolves all the detail without going too far.
Those highs scare me a tad--the leaning toward brightness part. Another killer tube that is close to the Siemens Cca or Siemens Halske, but maybe a tad mellower on top. Or at the worst: neutral
Warren, if you are going to spend the money try to purchase the grey plate early 60's CCa's. They sound more natural, not quite as bright as the shiny plate CCa's. I use one pair in a system full of tubes and they do add something quite special to the overall sound. Don
My Siemens 6922 listening experience with ARC gear is extensive and the answer is simple: in a revealing system, good well matched examples (see below) smoke current Russian 6922's in almost every respect - detail, dynamics, imaging and transparency, among other things. Getting there, on the other hand, is another story. Siemens 6922's come in at least four versions that I know of and the vintage is also important. The four versions are, in ascending order of sound quality, ECC88, E88CC, 7308 (=E188CC) and Cca. In terms of vintage, strictly speaking, the name "Siemens Halske" refers only to the older production tubes from the '60's, while the later 70's/80's versions came in boxes labeled "Siemens Rohre". I have also seen military versions of the E88CC and 7308 labeled JAN or with a falcon logo on the tube. In terms of sound, though, the real distinction is between the getters: the earlier reputedly better sounding versions have a grey chemical coating on them - 'grey' getters - and the later ones have clear metal ('silver') getters. Good well matched examples of grey getter versions are now almost impossible to find or assemble; 70's versions are still around and I highly recommend them. Testing and matching is critical; I wouldn't go into any NOS tubes without my own tube tester. The first and simplest test is for output level, which is measured as transconductance, because the output of every tube declines with hours of usage. 6922's have two sections which have to be measured separately for output. Unbalanced gear often - not always -employs these tubes in pairs with one tube to a channel, so that the aggregate output of each tube in the pair should be the same ('matched'). Balanced applications generally require that each section of each tube have the same output(!) The next issue is microphonics, which is a particular problem with 6922's; it can be due to a manufacturing defect or from mishandling (these tubes are 20-40 years old). The crude way to measure is that you can hear it by tapping the tube while the gear is on; some testers (Vacuum Tube Valley ("VTV"), Hickock 539C) allow you to listen for it. Microphonics is less important if the tube is not used in a high gain application, but I personally would not use a microphonic preamp tube in a cutting-edge system. VTV has also developed a test for triode to triode plate balance. Current production tubes are not spec'd to have balanced plates, but premium NOS versions were, so I believe that test is also useful. This is a long primer, perhaps, but I learned most of this stuff the hard way. Happy tubing!
That's an excellent response from Arahl. I have to say, though, that I had pretty good luck locating CCa grey plates within the last couple of years. I used them in my preamp with good results.

For a softer top end, try Mullard, particularly the tubes made at the Blackburn, UK plant.
Nice Arahl. I was talking to another tube expert who has been explaining some very interesting things. Here's some of his points:
Siemens-Rohne Cca not nearly as good as Siemen-Halske
Siemens_Halske between 59 to 72 are the real deal and are the way you guys have described.
Andy (Bowman) was saying that, believe it or not, the Amperex Bugle Boy 6DJ8 (yes they did make that tube) is quite incredible. Liquid and toasty and a whole bunch of other accolades. Obviously listening and preferences are the way to go, so I will keep you posted with my tympanic experiences. Thanks again guys

Tvad, sorry for the aside e mail. I don't know what came over me. I forgot all about this thread.
I presently have six of the 60's CCa sweethearts in my BAT VK-D5. When I owned my ARC SP9 and SP14 pre's: they were also equipped with the same. The most musical/accurate of the family(if you purchase the 60's version, as mentioned above). The 70's tubes pump razor blades through the system(I suppose some solid state lovers would call that, "detail"). I've also used the E188CC, and found them quite nice. A good place to shop:( VERY knowledgable/dependable!!
Siemens-Rohne Cca not nearly as good as Siemen-Halske
Siemens_Halske between 59 to 72 are the real deal and are the way you guys have described.
Warrenh, be careful. My first experience buying the siemens CCa was not good. I bought a NOS NIB pair from a member here on agon. He told me they were made in the 1960s. After listening to the pair of tubes, finally in the correct row of importance of my Sonic Frontiers Line One preamp, I discovered the highs sounded a little rolled off bass a little light weight. Turned out this pair of CCa were from the 70s. What to look for, the 70s tube uses a small round support rod to support the hallow getter.

The white label Amperex PQ 6922 USA made tube of the middle to early 60s will blow the 70s Siemens CCa tube away hands down.

The early 1960s Siemens CCa (all grey plate) is another story. As other have said a great sounding tube. The later 60s Siemens tube sounds as Virgo_ref described, still not too bad a sounding tube I never noticed the brightness, but it just lacks the fullness of the midrange of the earlier CCA tube.

The real deal

For the money, JMHO, you can't beat the white label middle to early 60s USA made used Amperex PQ 6922 tube. I just recently picked up a used pair made in 1965 for $42.50 on ebay. They test like new, and are dead quiet.

That brings up another subject. Buy a decent tube tester.
I agree with the bugle boy suggestion, Mullard e88cc or what I find to be neutral is gold pins telefunken e88cc these will not be bright and will last a lifetime. If you do not find a resonable price on the tubes you want feel free to contact me, I have many extra (pairs and quads) of many of the tubes discussed here
Sorry guys, That should be ... halo getter ....

Brain fart.

What to look for, the 70s tube uses a small round support rod to support the hallow getter.
In the late 90's, I tried or owned almost every tube type available in this family. Sold much of it but still own/use certain brands. Recently, I plugged in a pair (unused) of RCA branded Siemens 6dj8's (1968 vintage). After some initial congestion, these tubes showed some impressive traits. Almost as resolving as the SH CCA, more resolving than the SH 6922 (1962 vintage) Vacuum tube valley has them on sale at %15.00 off. Total of $85.00 shipped plus handling fee. A real bargain in this crazily overpriced tube world of late.