Should people who can't solder, build or test their speakers be considered audiophiles?



  So, if you bought that Porsche but can only drive it and not fix it do you really understand and appreciate what it is? I say no. The guy who can get in there and make it better, faster or prettier with his own hands has a superior ability to understand the final result and can appreciate what he has from a knowledge base and not just a look at what I bought base. I mean sure you can appreciate that car when you drive it but if all you do is take it back to the dealership for maintenance and repairs you just like the shape with no real understanding of what makes it the mechanical marvel it is.
  I find that is true with the audio world too. There are those who spend a ton of money on things and then spend a lot of time seeking peer approval and assurance their purchase was the right one and that people are suitably impressed. Of course those who are most impressed are those who also do not design, build, test or experiment.

  I propose that an audiophile must have more than a superficial knowledge about what he listens to and must technically understand what he is listening to. He knows why things work and what his end goal is and often makes his own components to achieve this. He knows how to use design software to make speakers that you can't buy and analyze the room they are in and set up the amplification with digital crossovers and DSP. He can take a plain jane system and tweak it and balance it to best suit the room it is in. He can make it sound far better than the guy who constantly buys new components based on his superficial knowledge who does not understand why what he keeps buying in vain never quite gets there.

  A true audiophile can define his goal and with hands on ability achieve what a mere buyer of shiny parts never will. So out comes the Diana Krall music and the buyer says see how good my system is? The audiophile says I have taken a great voice and played it through a system where all was matched and tweaked or even purposely built and sits right down next to Diana as she sings. The buyer wants prestigious signature sound and the audiophile will work to achieve an end result that is faithful true to life audio as though you were in the room with Diana as she sings. The true audiophile wants true to life and not tonally pure according to someones artificial standard.

 So are you a buyer or an audiophile and what do you think should make a person an audiophile?
mahlman

" He who lives in a glass house shouldn't cast pebbles: "

I think it is closer to a glass universe:Dhttps://www.machinadynamica.com/machina5.htm
Uh, oh, I’m getting a bad feeling again. 
Is there a feature on Audiogon that allows you to block a particular poster?
Should people not be Formula 1 fans because they can't build an F1 car? Should people not go on holidays because they can't design a plane? Dumbest, most trolly question ever in this forum. Further I am actually dumber for having read and responded to it.  Get a life. 
Glass universe? What is that photo supposed to be showing or prove? Are those the ashes of someone’s passed relative tapped to the cables? And why would we care I wonder. Jkf I think it boils down to some people have self image issues and if they’re part of a smaller more exclusive club then maybe their sense of self worth will have been raised. People outside of the hobby arnt audiphiles either, but I never miss a chance to try to start a coverstaion on the subject to see if we can add a new recruit to the hobby. 
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An audiophile who owns/drives a Porsche  can have someone solder whatever needs to be soldered.  Fix whatever needs to be fixed.  As an old Mercedes and Harley owner, I have to do all those myself.  Including cooking and cleaning the bathroom.
Formula 1 racing is so formulaic!
" Give me a break. Just another in a long line of troll posts by the OP, to whit from 2 years ago, "
  Hyperbole much?? Lets see that makes two in two years so I guess you are right I am FLOODING this place with, well, with whatever you say.
Do the flying saucers help if you sit in a room of them? You of all people talking about trolling and the validity of things.
Have you ever open the engine lid on a 911? Not a lot of room in there to work on things!
I just snapped off my speaker binding post on my Spectron amp! So do investigate to see whats involved in replacing it? I can solder but I suspect there isn't a lot of room in there. Kinda like a 911
Pretty silly OP, for sure. 

Audiophiles are those that enjoy audio equipment. 

Those that can solder, build or test their speakers, are a subset of the greater set of audiophiles. 

As one who does build and test my own audiophile level speakers, I am no different in my love for audio equipment than those that do not. 
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Alfa Romeo owners savor pinpoint oil leaks. 😛
Have you ever open the engine lid on a 911? Not a lot of room in there to work on things!


Not so fast, Grasshopper! You forgot to say "new" 911. If you open the engine lid on an early air-cooled 911 you will see a couple Weber carbs, and... not much else. The engine was very clearly exposed on a 911. Before watermelons (green on the outside, red on the inside) took over the automotive industry and without anyone ever being asked declared the exhaust fumes coming out must be cleaner than the air coming in. (True- allowable exhaust particulates are lower than the air in many places.) Now thanks to computer aided design hardly a cubic inch of engine bay space is wasted- its all used to meet regulatory requirements. Not only Porsche. Try and find any carmaker today with an engine you can just reach in and put your hands on.
Now I don’t know about Spectron but if you were a smart and discerning audiophile and bought a quality tube amp then odds are you will find plenty of room in there and it would be no problem to replace that binding post. Not that it would have broken off in the first place. Tube gear tends to be made to last. Digital ages in dog years.
Once upon a time, a mechanic worth every penny he refused to take from me told me that pinpoint oil leaks are common after an oil change and are the way to rack up the bill.

I have no idea how to fix any of 911's engines, or how they look, but that is what I was told.

While I have the attention of 911 experts, where did the spare tire go before it disappeared? There must have been one. Was it? Where was it installed? When did it go away? This is a real question and you guys seem to have the answer handy.
geoffkait,

"Alfa Romeo owners savor pinpoint oil leaks. 😛"
Allegedly, new Giulia, including Quadrifoglio, is immune to most of it. Supposedly, even the software works now (recent fix). Be brave.
If this is the question then what is the answer
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Alfa Romeo joke. I took my Alfa to a dealer for a rough estimate and they beat the crap out of me.
Why do the Brits' drink warm beer? Because their refrigerators are made by Lucas.
some of these responses are pretty funny.

Also, many cars don't have spare tires anymore because the manufacturer is supplying the cars with run flat tires.  

After re-reading the OP's original post, I do believe he was having a bit of fun with the subject.

enjoy
Hi,
i don't find jokes about Alfa amusing. Annual service is coming.
Same if you had a Fiat. Fix It Again,Tony.
My car is rented and my wife drive it.....I walk most of the times..... :)

All cars are boring except the Bugatti Atlantic 1936....I dream to buy one.... a seller here?

There is a great similarity and a family ressemblance with the Berning ZOTL amplifier but objects of my dreams partake something for sure..... :)
petg60,

"i don't find jokes about Alfa amusing. Annual service is coming."
Skip it. It won't come out of it any better.

A wise guy once told me that any time you take a car to the shop, whatever the reason, you will be back in two weeks. Not necessarily for the same reason.

I visit my car mechanic on the bicycle, for a chat.
"All cars are boring except the Bugatti Atlantic 1936....I dream to buy one.... a seller here?"
Give me a couple of hours. I will dream of selling it.
I like these British jokes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRG5q0bTpZI 

Is it the black model?
glupson your price will be? :)
Hi,
3 years zero issues, still smells fresh new!
mahgister,

"glupson your price will be? :)"
I am not sure yet. It will be the price I can only dream of.

Now, when I saw how it looks no wonder I will be selling it. That rear window is so small I can barely see anything through it.
petg60,

"3 years zero issues, still smells fresh new!"
You are such a partybreaker. We love Alfa jokes. Some would call them a "reality show".
It is an esthetic choice for me..... not a practical one.... dreams are dreams..... You are right for the rear view …. :)
@mahlman - glad to know you were just rattling the cage to see if you could ruffle some feathers.

I would hope we are all in this together? I certainly learn a lot in here, and am introduced to devices, tweaks and music that are all new to me. I will debate if I have a differing opinion, as will others. And I respect people who will discuss their opinion with reason.

If I had unlimited resources, I’d happily purchase everything from people who have taken the time to specialize in certain aspects, and components in the HiFi industry. People here in this forum, most of them to me anyway seem to want to promote this great recreation.


I’ll admit I saw the thread heading and thought, oh no, not another: Should people with no turntable or reel to reel be considered audiophiles?




" After re-reading the OP's original post, I do believe he was having a bit of fun with the subject. "
He still is having fun :-D
" @mahlman - glad to know you were just rattling the cage to see if you could ruffle some feathers. "
  I do love audio and spend a lot of time at it in all aspects. Sometimes though the comic theater of the absurd that seems to go with it is a bit more than I can resist. There are some really crazy things around here lurking amongst the nuggets of good.
Thinking about my last comment on crazy things. I guess some would consider me crazy for building a 108" throat single fold horn for my stereo system but I wanted to sit right next to the 32' organ pipes and I do since it goes down to 27 hz before dropping off like a rock.
Only the man who walk without dreams, sleeping, is not even crazy....

We are here looking for the best in some aspect of the world, be it sound and music, we are living..... We all try hard, each in our own way, to not sleepwalk in this aspect of the world.... 
Funny how "improved" cars, especially Porsches, are always worth less than unmolested cars. Not to mention unimproved cars are called: "unmolested."  
To the original poster of this thread, if you don't have a computer science degree then you are not worthy of posting on audiogon or accessing the internet.

Good bye
Those jokes made me laugh!! Why does a Yogo have a heated rear window??? To keep your hands warm when you push them
"Not so fast, Grasshopper!" Careful I took martial arts for eight years!! Yes early 911's pre fuel injection are pretty easy access for basic maintenance from the engine bay and underneath.  Modern cars, forget about it! 
My Spectron musical MK ll amp is no slutch weighing in at 54 lbs and the speaker binding post are very robust. I suspect over the years it developed a crack. Hopefully it's not too much of a pain to change out. I do have a VAC tube amp
and you're right as it would be much easier to work on than my Spectron 

"While I have the attention of 911 experts, where did the spare tire go before it disappeared? There must have been one. Was it? Where was it installed? When did it go away? This is a real question and you guys seem to have the answer handy"

The spare tire in my 1978 911 SC is in the front storage area. It has to be inflated with compresser I've only owned the older air cooled Porsches, so I'm not sure about the newer models  My 2019 Honda Type R has no spare and no run flats, just a compressor Hey it doesn't even have a CD player!!
jrwaudio,

"The spare tire in my 1978 911 SC is in the front storage area."
Thanks.

These days they do not have spare tires and one salesman in the dealership said it is because the car is small. He did not know where they were when cars were even smaller. Mystery solved.


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Top Gear would never stoop to sawing a speaker in half. They might crush one with a piano, smash it with a rock, burn with acid, and drop from a crane. Onto a caravan. Well, maybe not a speaker....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK1UQGfnlqY
Hi,
i miss that show, working fun and well paid. There should be a high price for cars that survived.
i wanted to tell an AR joke but it broke down...
Word for the day. Snarkolepsy. The condition where a person is walking around while asleep or dreaming but just conscious enough to be snarky or sarcastic. 😳
@mahlman  
......lurking amongst the nuggets of good
Please don't touch, smell or taste any lurking nuggets, as good as they may seem!
"Audiophile" is such a pretentious word when used by elitist enthusiasts.....Anyone who has taken the time to carefully put together a transparent and natural sounding system then SHARES that knowledge with others should be considered a "member" of this niche in society.
" To the original poster of this thread, if you don't have a computer science degree then you are not worthy of posting on audiogon or accessing the internet.
Good bye "
  Hate to see you go but might I remind you the inventor of the internet, Al Gore, did not have a science degree.
  " "Audiophile" is such a pretentious word when used by elitist enthusiasts. "
 Yeah that's my main beef. Pretentious is such a great word for this. Inspiration for posting this thread in fact.
Hate to see you go but might I remind you the inventor of the internet, Al Gore, did not have a science degree.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/internet-of-lies/

All the best,
Nonoise