@jvancamp where are you located? If possible try and borrow some different SUTs
Seeking advice on several specific MC Step Up Transformers
Hello,
I am looking to change my MC Step Up Transformer (SUT) and am hoping some folks may have had some experience with one or more of these combinations...
I currently use a Silvercore 1:10 SUT. It is hooked up to my Garrard 301 turntable, Thomas Schick 12” tonearm and EMT TSD 15 cartridge. The SUT then runs into a Cary Audio PH-302 MkII Phono Preamp>Supratek Chardonnay Line Preamp>a pair of Decware SE84UFO2 monoblock power amps>Altec Flamenco Speakers.
I previously had a Parasound Halo JC3+ phono preamp in this chain, but, found that the Silvercore SUT was overloading it and causing significant noisefloor. Once I upgraded to the Cary phono pre (with a much higher overload capacity), the noisefloor disappeared. And, yes, on both the Parasound and the Cary I have tested just using the MC input but much prefer the overall sound/impact/dynamics that I get by running the SUT into the MM input.
Through several conversations with two differnt SUT manufacturers I have learned that due to the EMT’s output of 1mV and the higher overload capacity of the Cary pre, an SUT of 1:20 is more ideal.
So, after that long-winded explanation, I am wondering if anyone has used the Decware ZMC1 SUT and/or the Bob’s Device’s Sky 20 SUT.
The Decware is a 1:20, but, has the added capability of adjustable gain. Which, as I understand, can be nice for adjusting the impedance on the fly as some records may sound a little brighter than others. The Bob’s Devices is switchable between 1:10 and 1:20. The Decware is also about $400 cheaper (which is a major consideration currently).
Hoping someone may be able to shed some light on any of this...
Thanks,
Jared
I am looking to change my MC Step Up Transformer (SUT) and am hoping some folks may have had some experience with one or more of these combinations...
I currently use a Silvercore 1:10 SUT. It is hooked up to my Garrard 301 turntable, Thomas Schick 12” tonearm and EMT TSD 15 cartridge. The SUT then runs into a Cary Audio PH-302 MkII Phono Preamp>Supratek Chardonnay Line Preamp>a pair of Decware SE84UFO2 monoblock power amps>Altec Flamenco Speakers.
I previously had a Parasound Halo JC3+ phono preamp in this chain, but, found that the Silvercore SUT was overloading it and causing significant noisefloor. Once I upgraded to the Cary phono pre (with a much higher overload capacity), the noisefloor disappeared. And, yes, on both the Parasound and the Cary I have tested just using the MC input but much prefer the overall sound/impact/dynamics that I get by running the SUT into the MM input.
Through several conversations with two differnt SUT manufacturers I have learned that due to the EMT’s output of 1mV and the higher overload capacity of the Cary pre, an SUT of 1:20 is more ideal.
So, after that long-winded explanation, I am wondering if anyone has used the Decware ZMC1 SUT and/or the Bob’s Device’s Sky 20 SUT.
The Decware is a 1:20, but, has the added capability of adjustable gain. Which, as I understand, can be nice for adjusting the impedance on the fly as some records may sound a little brighter than others. The Bob’s Devices is switchable between 1:10 and 1:20. The Decware is also about $400 cheaper (which is a major consideration currently).
Hoping someone may be able to shed some light on any of this...
Thanks,
Jared
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I'm been using a Cary PH302 for about 7yrs and like you I found external SUT's into the MM stage to work better with the cartridges I used (lower output MC's). I've tried Bob Sattin's 3440A, Hashimoto HM7 and Lundahl 1941. The first two were 1:15/1:30 (from memory) and latter is pretty similar 1:16/1:32. I agree that a healthy input voltage to the Cary MM stage sounds more dynamic. I never had any overload problems running a 0.4mV ART9 mc into the 1:32 setting which will boost that cartridge to 12.8mV. However I found the ART9 to work better with 1:16 (6.4mV) and reflected loading of 184ohms. You're talking about 1:20 which will boost 1mV to 20mV. I would think a 1:10 SUT would be more appropriate - but I don't know what the overload specs are for the Cary. Assuming no overload issues, 1:20 SUT (26dB) will give 64dB total gain with the Cary MM (38dB) which may be excessive for your setup - but that will very much depend on the rest of the chain. IMO 1:20 would be more appropriate with lower output mc's, say 0.3 -0.5mV range. But of course much depends on the individual cartridge and system specs. |
Cartridges like the EMT TDS 15 are problematic because the output voltage is "in between" most modern MM and MC cartridges. At 1:20 your SUT gain is way too high for 1mV output. Something in the 1:3-1:5 range would be more appropriate. You might consider using a phono preamp with switchable loading so that you can try and adjust for the perfect setting. |
Just use a phono stage like Gold Note PH-10 with many gain option, fully adjustable. You don't need a SUT |
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