Schumann Resonator


I got 2 of these from Amazon...careful that free returns are applicable.  I charged them up, turned them on and holy moly.....they do help with my system.   What I hear is clarity....space between instruments, a definite difference in upright and electric bass, wider soundstage...you know...all the good stuff. At first I thought it might be increased brightness, but no....it is still the same in that regard.  I still can't believe it, and will listen again tomorrow (saved the packaging for the return)...but today, I'm about to keep them.
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All electrical components in a house are linked together through the grid....They created one field component: the specific electrical grid of your house...With his specific noise floor....

The S.G. are linked to this room grid.... They are like an ice breaker in a crystallised sea they break the ice of the general noise floor of the house...The information is then better between component..... This is my explanation but I am not a scientist by the way... They also change the pressurized atmosphere of the room like the ionizers do....

Put a piece of my "golden plate" on top of your S.G.....You will change the quality of the sound.... this will prove to you that this is NOT a "subjective" vodoo effect mainly....All is not vodoo or placebo....Superstition of misplaced concepts is not science...

"Golden plates" : Shungite thin plate for phone+ copper tape on the external side, if necessary add a tiny Herkimer diamond for balancing clarity.... I own 12 cheap S.G. in a cable synchonized connected grid....

It is one of my room tuner controlling grids....




The acoustic of a room is not described completely if described only by bouncing waves all along passive walls... Any room must be activated and i use also ionizers for that but also a grid of various resonators, tiny and bigger, but mainly 18 Helmholtz tubes and pipes that COMPLETELY transform my audio system and room ...

An ACTIVATED room is a room where the distribution and location of heteregenuous pressuring engines(H.T and P.) rectify completely the sound pressures levels, the relation between frequencies waves coming from the speakers and the walls at the rate of near one hundred back and forth in one second in any small room... Picture the atmosphere of your room like a very tight set of strings on a violin.....The H. room tuner grid act like a a slight touch on a set of springs or on the " strings " of incoming sets of waves, producing a tuned vibration ....

Helmholtz is the creator of room acoustic after Greek and Roman and probably Chinese before them....😁


Being audiophile is not buying gear or upgrading anything.... It is knowing how to install the gear in his 3 working dimensions, which i called embeddings of the audio system...

The acoustical embeddings by itself is more powerful than almost any upgrade of electronical design....

Imagine the 3 together....
Ever since I bought Dumbo’s magic feather I can fly.
What is that?

A free charge accusation against all users for no reason, save your uncuriousity coupled with blinders?

Or perhaps an audio enlightenement coming from your virginal working brain at birth ?

Nothing of that, probably only trolling stupidity....

All bets are on !

Myself i will safely  bet on the first or third .....
For many acoustically uncontrolled and inactivated room, and with a too high noise floor audio system and house, the Shumann generators will not produce an "audible" effect at all lost in the crystallized sea of noise...

This is the reason why the addition of S.G. CANNOT be the first embeddings controls...

We must control the electrical grid noise floor of the house and room first...
We must control the vibrations and resonance of the gear first....

We must introduce acoustical materials passive treatment and other active controls before an audible effect is produced in many case...in many case the effect are audible tough because no room, no house, no system are alike....

This has nothing to do with placebo effects....
Interesting post teo_audio thanks....

My best to you....
Thanks for your impressions...

I am an open creative free spirit and i try to not invoke my beliefs or my doubts to justify my fear or laziness.... Call me a wacko.... I prefer to be an outcast than  to be in the crowds of professional sceptics or in the crowds of zealots...

I dont fear and dont mind to be mocked because i sell nothing, save creativity, and all my devices are cheap and modified or my own complete homemade creations....It is impossible to call that "snake oil", and calling all of them at once " placebos" is preposterous...


«Crowds of lemmings, apes or humans act exactly the same if they are crowds»-Anonymus smith
I would try it if i could, just to see....Good idea report it....If you try it....

But i am not sure if it is a good idea tough after thinking about it.... 😊
« Dont you doubt all day long about everything Groucho?
-Never before an erection, only after it»-Groucho Marx

«It is not the doubting act that matter then, is it the timing ?»-Harpo Marx

«You bet!»- Chico Marx
To all interested, I recommend you Google schumann + resonance + health. There’s some interesting reading there...
In asia they use the S.G. to increase well sleep.... I try it but i cannot vouch myself about this effect....

For the sound i can tough.... 😊





To continue my explanation about the S.G. in an electrical grid....

The Noise floor act like an ice on the sea cover erasing the subtle information of the waves ,obstructing the communication....Breaking this ice cover of the general noise floor by introducing a powerful frquence, S.G. frequence, increase the communication between components different specific noise floor, and made possible a better perception of information associated to the sound waves into the ears...But i guess that the S.G. also modify the distribution of pressure zone levels between molecules mass in the air of the room making it more dynamic....I am not a scientist it is only a description perhaps faulty of what i experience....

This citation convey an idea of what i speak about:

…[O]ne of the earliest [applications] of dither came in World War II. Airplane bombers used mechanical computers to perform navigation and bomb trajectory calculations. Curiously, these computers (boxes filled with hundreds of gears and cogs) performed more accurately when flying on board the aircraft, and less well on ground. Engineers realized that the vibration from the aircraft reduced the error from sticky moving parts. Instead of moving in short jerks, they moved more continuously. Small vibrating motors were built into the computers, and their vibration was called dither from the Middle English verb "didderen," meaning "to tremble." Today, when you tap a mechanical meter to increase its accuracy, you are applying dither, and modern dictionaries define dither as a highly nervous, confused, or agitated state. In minute quantities, dither successfully makes a digitization system a little more analog in the good sense of the word.

— Ken Pohlmann, Principles of Digital Audio[1]


The sole fact that the S.G. reproduce the earth resonant frequency is not an explanation by itself, adding "dither" concept to it is a beginning of an explanation.... That was in my alleged "non sensical" post...
mahgister talking nonsense.
The concept of dither evoked in the citation imported from the book about digital audio is not non sense...

Perhaps i explain thing badly, being not a scientist, but you could have tried to THINK about this "dither" concept before insulting....

I guess this thread and this resonator are not for someone who would ever question things.

And perhaps thinking before making children coming to the world is a good idea, but it is not neceessary to have a complete theory before TRYING something cheap....

It will spare you to insult others in the meantime....

Anyway if you are not able to understand the "dither" concept in my citation, dont ask for any explanation it will be over your head...
Try the 2 positions and report here.... Is it difficult to try? I dont know the answer or if it will make a difference... Probably not...

My best to you....
If it’s the Earth’s natural frequency, then that frequency is already in the room. Why would you need to generate it?
The S.G. grid amplify it....And his harmonics.... Then adding a form of powerful noise that act to the signals like a dithering factor....

By the way the Schumann frequencies linked to earth are a SET of spectrum peaks more than a single frequency like the Schumann generator....



But my explanation is ONLY a guess...

What i know for sure is that my S.G. grid work in my room....


My best to you with cold mate.....Or hot one.....
Millercarbon you must know firsthand that unorthodox people and those who speak too bluntly or frankly made half the crowd hating them.... 😊

I am in no crowd i dont hate people here....I talked to G. like i talked to you, and i tried to take the good which is in all of us....

My only impatience is sometimes with too "straight" people.... I am not perfect....I like creative and open mind....

I am only interested to making friends here being confined and working no more and talking about audio....They are a very different characters here and i love most of them with my heart....
Just what do think a puny little 5 volt subsonic oscillator is going to do?
By the way i can change completely the sound in a room with ONLY one straw and with an audible effect similar to an amplifier upgrade and even more powerful...


ONE SINGLE ORDINARY STRAW location and lenght can change completely the sound of a room.... Why ?

Placebo effect ?....Think again.....

Or read my posts.....

A clue: Helmholtz science....

There is more in the world than placebo effect to explain it, doctor "i know everything and i doubt everything"....




« Thinking is forgetting all we know to rethink it anew»-Anonymus Smith

 
Any benefit is purely psychological. If this helps you think your system sounds better, who am I to argue. It will not last.
Instead of doubting others experience which is useless....Why not thinking about OTHER things than trying to contradict their experiences with a superficial argument and trying by yourself?

A 20 bucks experience...

But remember that it is NOT the first embedding controls i recommend because the noise floor levels of an audio system could be too high to make the listener able to detect the effects...Anyway many people has verified his potency in their room...All across the world already by the way....


If you think that we are not a gullible bunch of idiots all of us, you can certainly think that we are perfectly able to think about your perpetual placebo counter argument by ourself and we dont wait for you to enlighten us about it...

We are perfectly able to observe that, by accident , by chance or by experiments, when the Schumann generators are disconnected, the sound is always affected....

There is a placebo effect linked to all new devices, the main experiments is precisely related to the CUMULATIVE experiments that will rule the placebo effect out for an ultimate explanation... Adding for example shungite or Herkimer diamond to the S.G. will affect always in the same degree but not in the same direction the quality of sound.... No more placebo effect here.... Save for zealots repeating their mantras....

Think and experiment or let yourself stick to your equalizer....


Maybe this is a case where a cheap design in fact achieves the desired purpose.  
You are RIGHT on the spot....

 Thanks...

My deepest respect for your help.....

On the music front, I liken it to a subwoofer’s effect on bringing in the whole spectrum of music to create overall better balance. Given the SR is a very, very low sub frequency, I would think it would be a similar thing, balancing out subsonics to ultimately bring the system to an even finer level of balance. Just a concept.
Interestings remark...

Adding subs not only add bass frequencies but also cause probably some "dither" effect......

It is this effect which is at the root of the effect of the S.G. not a special "placebo" effect mainly or a magical transformation of the hearing quality....

I compared the different noise floors of all the devices and gear in the house connected together producing a general noise floor to an ice that hide details of information under his noisy cold envelope.... The S.G. work breaking this ice, then decreasing the general noise floor and making each piece of gear to better communicate his information, letting more details emerge to the listener...

This citation i repeat here give an idea about this "dither" concept:


…[O]ne of the earliest [applications] of dither came in World War II. Airplane bombers used mechanical computers to perform navigation and bomb trajectory calculations. Curiously, these computers (boxes filled with hundreds of gears and cogs) performed more accurately when flying on board the aircraft, and less well on ground. Engineers realized that the vibration from the aircraft reduced the error from sticky moving parts. Instead of moving in short jerks, they moved more continuously. Small vibrating motors were built into the computers, and their vibration was called dither from the Middle English verb "didderen," meaning "to tremble." Today, when you tap a mechanical meter to increase its accuracy, you are applying dither, and modern dictionaries define dither as a highly nervous, confused, or agitated state. In minute quantities, dither successfully makes a digitization system a little more analog in the good sense of the word.

— Ken Pohlmann, Principles of Digital Audio[1]

This is where Geoff Kaitt is sorely missed. He could explain it and add a quiz, plus tell us how it affects wormholes. Thankfully, I haven’t encountered any rips in the fabric of reality when I used the one I bought.
When i introduced him to my Schumann generators cabled grid modified by my "golden plates" and Herkimer diamond, he bought some but never give me a review about them... And never explained to me why they work if they work.... I figured it myself....

He knows already for sure what a Schumann Generator is...But never used them in a grid of 12 modified by G.P. connected by cables  with a series of cheap one fron China like me.... Because of costs it is not possible to connect many Acoustic Revive S.G.... Then after reading their pubilicity i chose the chinese one 2 yeears ago....And  he has never explained to me why they work, save explaining why they cant work because of antenna problem etc....It was not easy asking him questions...He answered in riddles.... It was funny tough....😊 Any way i created all my devices by myself and i never bought "tweaks"... I tried to think about the basic phenomena in audio at low or no costs by my own listenings experiments... I succeeed in some way....


For me it is something that decrease the noise level powerful destructive effect by adding a dithering frequency that is powerful because it was one near the atmosphere resonance with the earth....I am not a scientist but this is the more plausible beginning of an explanation i can think about....

The dithering frequency break the homogenuity of the noise floor encompassing "ice " coat of your house, hiding the details of the information...

Remember that all the gear of your house are interconnected to a general noise floor...ALL of your electrical appliances add noise of his own making to the general noise floor....



I even created my own homemade devices to specidically decrease this noise floor, i dont only use the S.G. grid, i also use a grid of "Golden Plates" all along my house electrical grid decreasing also in an other way the general noise floor...I used them distributed from the exterrnal house main electrical meter box to the wall electrical plugs passing by the main router of the computer etc....

This is what i call the electrical grid embeddings controls....

I sell nothing, all is free, i sell creativity at peanuts price....

Audio is not upgrading gear it is implementing triple embeddings controls...Mechanical, electrical and acoustical....




Dont upgrade anything before embedding everything the right way....

And I'm one who actually prefers my system without it,

I already explain that i prefer the S.G. in my grid to be modified.... Because the effect is good but could be a nit in the negative direction in some system.... Then i balanced the effect with 2 powerful means: the golden plate will make the effect going more with an acuentuation of the mid frequencies and the Herkimer diamond more with an accentuation of the higher frequencies, then adding the 2 operate a perfect balance in the S.G. effect... Try it, you may change your mind about the addition of the S.G.





Some people did not experience this audible "dithering" effect of the S.G. frequency because it is an audible effect but NOT so powerful in some case, it cannot erase by itself ONLY some of the negative effects of the many noise levels: mechanical noise level, electrical noise level, acoustical noise level...

I NEVER recommend it for the first and only acoustical or electrical controls embeddings....WHY?

Because i know first hand that a room and a house and an audio system uncontrolled, like many systems of many owners here, are not always optimally under control and often not controlled at all...

Then listening to this effect very audible in some minimal conditions is not always possible in other conditions...

Dithering frequency work but dont create miracles...

Helmholtz tubes and pipes grid work miracles way more huge than my S.G. grid so good it is....

My "golden plates" are more powerful also....

In the last 2 years i created around 200 hundred connections between devices in my room.... They all work but some are not powerful like others....

I mentioned Geoff only b/c he was always on the fringe with some wild stuff and meant it in a light-hearted way-- I had no issue with him, personally.

I had no real issue with him and in fact i miss his humor....I try to have no personal issue with anyone and i speak to all who want a discussion... I am only a bit impatient with those who stick with blinders.... At least Geoffkait never stick to dogmas.... I am unorthodox myself then....


Maghister if the devices are introducing white noise or some other form of random noise, that is a totally different thing than the Schumann resonance that they are banking on. The two could certainly work in combo, but are still two different things.
Yes and i never expected that a cheap chinese 10 bucks S.G. would produce an exact and stable 7,83 hertz...

They are more a random generator AROUND a set of frequencies, those called Schumann...

Then they could act with a dithering effect? i ask the question...

Market publicity is NOT reality.... These cheap generator CANNOT produce a stable precise signals the same in each other when measured.... It is and it was my opinion.... Then they produce a random variation around a set of frequencies... For example between 4 hertz and 10 hertz randomly....They then can act with some dithering audible effect...

What do you think?



Maghister thing is dithering typically means introduction of random patterns as a way to simulate greater detail.

Schumann as I understand it is a resonance...not a random pattern.

So the two would seem to be totally different.
You know much than me about dithering i will not contest that at all...


But is the imprecise varying frequencies of the cheap S.G. around a theorical 7.83 Hz but being more an oscillating  device around 4 hertz and ten hertz with their harmonics dont mimic a random pattern effect on the homogenuous noise level of the house?

I ask the question?



GK was one of, if not the first, proponent of springs for isolation on Audiogon. Do a thread search.
True he speak with me of that.... And i bought set of springs to make exsperiments with.... And i discover how to decrease the resonance in my box speakers with a dyssimetric applying force between the 2 sets i install on each of my speakers using a different compressive force on each with great results...

But he use the spring incorrectly, unsing only one set under undamped box speakers...
Just saying. I know you are too open minded to be close minded- Zeppo Marx.
Thanks very much for your patience and kindness...

Ok if you read my argument it is this:

An  INCREMENTALLY set of additions in a series of experiments cannot be ONLY placebos...

Adding one schumann generator after another one cannot be entirely illusory...

In some  acoustically uncontrolled room  some people could hear no difference, BECAUSE their room and system is too noisy...Like i said i dont recommend S.G. for first  step in embeddings controls...

It work for me first because my room is very heavily  acoustically treated and under controls... Believe me or not i could distinguish between the difference of adding a single straw or not, to one of the main  Helmholtz tube for example...Read about Helmholtz bottles you will know why... It is no bat hearing it is acoustic science...

Then modifying the Schumann generators by connecting all of  them or not, by adding shungite+copper or not on them , by adding herkimer diamonds or not on them ; all these additions are different experiments... Reducing them to placebos effects is preposterous completely...

A  incremental set of experiments is not a piece of sugar in medecine...
But it is a good guess for a totally baseless claim.
You are wrong....

"Dither", It is only a guess by me because it makes sense with what i experienced....I dont have any other explanation...I am not a scientist...

It is not "necessarily" a good guess like you said, yes i could be wrong....But i could be right...




But your affirmation on the other hand about "baseless claim" is TOTALLY wrong...and bad faith on your part...

For decades audiophiles experienced it around the world and report it in ALL audio thread...They are not all liars, or deluded one....The audible effect they CLAIM they experience is not BASELESS...The probabilty that they are all liars and deluded one is way less than the probability of yourself speaking non sense about something you never experience by yourself....

Take less time hating people here, because of your blinders and few minutes to think each day....Why not experimenting yourself at peanuts cost? Too lazy? Too obtuse mind? Do your hobby is mocking those who report their experiments?

Myself i experimented with my OWN devices what i speak about and only bought few bucks devices i modified, then never buying any costly tweaks, i know THEN by MY listening experiments what i speak about...Not by selling or advertising tweaks or buying ready made tweaks...

I sell peanuts cost homemade creativity....What do you sell? Hate for a ghost?

I dont hate people here, i am only annoyed by stupidity and especially by bad faith....

By the way you can end your hating "geoffkait" machine, he is no more here....in spite of all his defects he was funny and creative....Not always easy but who are ? Read the scripture story of the straw and the beam....That will help....







maghister read up on dither and you will see why that is totally different than Schumann frequency.
Anyone know that S.G. frequency and dither are 2 different things....

What is proposed is that this frequency act like a dithering effect...a constant noise working in increasing the information like a "dither" effect...

Dithering effect exist not only in mechanical system but manifest also in digital processing and even in electro magnetic frequencies resonant scaling effects....Even in laser optic for example.... Then...

Proposing a dithering effect coming from this frequency resonant manifestation of the earth atmosphere could make sense... I am not a scientist....



As a seeker of truth as I believe you to be you should decry obfuscation not condone it as just another way of doing things that is somehow OK. it is destructive not constructive behavior and I know you know the difference.

Some things matter. Cheers!

I apologize for being too rude with you and unjust....

I had difficulties here with people siding against one another...

I am sorry for my too harsh reaction.... You are not what i said you are...

My deepest regards from my heart....
I never believe that a 10 bucks device will stay at 7,83 hertz...

It is precisely why these cheap device work better perhaps than very costly one...

I bet that their range vary between someting like 10 hertz and 4 hertz around their alleged 7,83 hertz...

At this price is Chinese designer meticulously verify the frequency 7,83 hertz ?.... Asking the question is answering it.... 😊

It is the reason why the dithering effect work....Introducing a random variation around this frequency....

People who sells this S.G. sell the "mythical" non existant exact 7,83 hertz frequency....It is an oscillating average in reality...

Because the earth resonance vary around this frequency and is not always exactly that one and more than that the shumann resonance is a set of peaks around it and his harmonics....Not the single perfect 7,83 hertz....


In nature, from what I read, it sounds like echoes of the Shumann resonance frequency would be somewhat randomized, like echoes one hears of thunder after a strike.

When our kids were little, we ran white noise generators at night to help them sleep better. No resonance but random generated audible white noise (like dither). Worked like a charm! Those devices have been around for quite a while.
It seems we understand each other ....

My best to you....

Remember that i am not an english speaker, then my understanding of subtle humor is sometimes lost in translation...I must admit that i am a bit too  reactive also and not alway subtle....

😊😁
Inquiring minds want to know. Don’t know how they pull that off unless very low SPLs are sufficient to achieve the desired effect. Or placebo effect? Both possible. I’ll leave it to others to figure out which and let me know.
Placebo effect forget it! it is too easy to invoke that about ANYTHING someone dont want to experiment with or believe...

Remember that i am not the regular orthodox consumer , i MODIFIED ALL the devices i bought, including set of springs and S.G. i mostly created my other devices myself without buying anything....

Then how do you explain the experiments i did with the S.G. ?

If you add only a piece of shungite with is half the part of my "golden plates" device, on top of the S. G. the sound  will be compressed...

If you add an Herkimer diamond the sound will be decompressed and more clear in highs frequencies range...

It is always the case, not for me only, but from others who try this experiment i recommend...

With this experiment i modify the S. G. adding to it my golden plate (shungite +copper) and add an herkimer diamond for an optimal balancing effect...This is no more placebo but a renewable set of experiments at least 4 experiments, with shungite only, with H.D. only, with the 2 or without any only a nude S.G.

Taking a product like sugar for placebo effect in medecine is one thing, adding materials that modify a device in many didderent possible sets of experiments is another thing totally...

Confusing the 2 is not SCIENCE, it is using a concept in a misplaced context....

For example my 2 years incrementally step by steps increase in S.Q. cannot be attributed to placebo....

A Helmholtz grid of adjusted 18 pipes and tubes is NOT placebo it is pure acoustic science...

In the same way my grid of connected and modified S.G. is not a placebo...

Easy to verify if i disconnect it completely or partially and listening to the sound....

I apologize for not being patient with the "placebo" afficionados...

I dont want to be rude to you.... I speak in general...

You are helpful and i consider you a friend.....

My deepest regards.....
In my experience this S.G. work in the electro magnetic linkage with my gear room electrical grid....

Not by sound.... It is clear in all advertisement There is no sound....
« Faith is only a blind logic and logic itself is anyway constructed on blind faith...Music is the best stick for the blinds» -Anonymus Smith

«What is music? it is a logic able to see... It is a faith able to rethink itself»-Anonymus Smith

«Numbers are music, music is numbers » -Pythagoras
@bemused, There is a sucker born every moment. All of you tweaky guys would do better spending your money on lottery tickets. You might actually get something out of it.

@ mahgister, I think you need a job.
First bemused gives a very interesting post....A beginnning of clarity in the subject.... I am not a scientist but i can appreciate the fact that resonance is key concept if we think about the why... Thanks....






I dont need a job, i need true friends....

I will say to Mijostyn that NO devices i bought cost me anything except a few peanuts... And all the others i created myself at no costs...I only recommend creativity at no cost for all....

Who is the sucker? Those who dont know anything save the word placebo? Those who recommend to buy pricey equalizer or costly upgrade instead of those like myself who advise about controlling at no cost the working embeddings dimensions of any system, mechanical, electrical and acoustical?

Who is the sucker in the audio thread? me?
I explained many times now, to no avail, that the S.G. cannot be reduced to be only a subjective effect based only on an action on the human body...

It seems many dont read posts here before posting...

It is EASY to improve the sound of the S.G. by adding a golden plate ( shungite +copper tape) and an herkimer diamond to the device... The 2 minerals will produce, each one separately, coupled with the device, 2 completely different effect on the sound, and a more balanced effect together?

This is a triple EXPERIMENT, not a stupid mantra about placebo or deluded customers.... I sell NOTHING....and the chinese S.G. cost peanuts...

Bemused was one of the rare here with a beginning of explanation...Myself i am not a scientist but ALL of what i speak about i experimented it MYSELF at NO COST.... Is it clear?

I cannot be accused to be deluded....My experiment are repeatable...

I cannot be accused to sell "snake oil"...I sell my creativity at no cost...

But it seems some will never understand anything...




@mapman
The Fourier series theory stands behind all of electromagnetism.
The em wave emitted eventually by way of speaker transducer, becomes a sound wave. The cart before the horse scenario. The reason the Schumann frequency affects you, and all human physiology is because the frequency induces a calming, relaxed, yet alert and focused influence.
It is a theta frequency (7-12 Hz).
The idea has nothing to do with sound.
IT has everything to do with the manipulation of e signals that become sound waves.
That’s what amps and speakers do.
There is no rational explanation out there that connects the dots.
Again: square wave, Fourier harmonic series, and resonance. All supported by laws of physics, which includes the science of sound. Get it?
It is right on the spot and clear like water...

I forget about that but ,yes, the frequency of the theta brain wave resonate with the S.G.

It makes absolute sense....

I proposed a simple experiment:

Put a piece of shungite on the S.G. and an herkimer diamond and the sound will be improved and more balanced.... then the S.G. act also with the audio signals .....

Thanks... It is my experience.... I think the resonance concept make sense and more on the spot than the "dither" one i was thinking about....

Thanks and my deepest regards ....
I speculate that DACs can be improved because the resonances may influence the dither in a way to make "uncertainty" more certain.
That is to say the converter’s resolution improves. Bits that were in the "gray" area are now defined to be a "0" or a "1". What was unclear in the data now becomes clear and strengthened after applying resonance.
Very clear .... Thanks

what a breeze to read coherent posts....
This argument is all over the place. One minute its effect of EM radiation from devices like this and transformers on electronic circuits, next its the same device producing sound not EMR that you will detect on a sound meter.
Bemused is very clear.... The market publicity is very clear, Everybody knows that this device dont affect the sound DIRECTLY...And do not produce sound....

Your sentence prove you have not understood bemused posts.... Or if you have understood them you stir the pot with a confusion NOBODY make...The S.G. dont affect the sound DIRECTLY but through a resonance with the E.M. field...then some frequencies may be affected more than other and this energy level even low can be neasured...

For me it is very clear this is the case with my experience with minerals on a modified S.G.

How can shungite or herkimer diamond, put separately or together on top of an S.G. , can affect the sound if not by a specific resonance with the audio system E.M. field....

ALL E.M. of ALL the appliances in your house are in resonance with one another ....This is the general specific noise floor of your house....One of my embeddings controls precisely work by decreasing it : the "golden plates".... It is not "snake oil", my idea is free and it cost peanuts to try it....IT IS AN EXPERIMENT....

I have given ideas about experiments here, i did for 2 years, about embeddings controls and people replicate with stupid sceptic mantras like alzheimer brain repeating the same formula: placebo, snake oil, etc




The fact a more sensitive device than a regular DB meter would be needed to measure the db or energy involved dont invalidate the general idea of Bemused....
So good luck trying this at home folks.....
And you think that this is a valid objection ?

The experiment of trying to link a chinese S.G. at 10 bucks to improve the sound has nothing to do with your wiki post....Our experiment is NOT measuring accurately the Shumann resonance like in this post.... It has NOTHING to do with it...

Mapman do you want to try or do you want to put arguments that have no direct link with which is proposed? Only to confirm your opinionated attitude? Do you want to be right at the cost of being incoherent like in posting this wiki description of how to measure the Schumann resonance to only confort your belief?


Are you a professionnal sceptic? if yes i will not discuss further...For me believers or professionnal sceptics are the same delusion....I prefer to think and experiment...

In audio i dont buy anything, i dont put any money, i tried to create my sound heaven at peanuts cost, for that believing was of no use at all, scepticism was no more useful.... Thinking was and is useful.... Try to think by yourself....

By the way i succeeded.... At peanuts costs....



Where can I find some scientific papers that back up this claim?
The reason the Schumann frequency affects you, and all human physiology is because the frequency induces a calming, relaxed, yet alert and focused influence.
Think a bit.....Like few seconds....
The theta waves in the brain work on the same frequencies.... Do you need a doctorate to understand that MAYBE the device could help....

The fact that we could ask for scientific experiments about that is one thing but doubting the fact CANNOT be a reason to stay still and not buying a cheap device reviewed for decade in audio thread for his sonic improvement... It does not need a very plastic brain to understand that...

The ratio: FUN experiment and possibleS.Q.increase/ money invested, is incredibly positive.... Is it so difficult to understand?

Associating S.G. with homeopathy is so stupid for 2 reasons i will not comment....

I am tired of the deluded zealots crowds but not less tired of the sunday sceptic crowds....

Experimenting is not believing or doubting, it is the 2 simultaneously in a process called thinking...Buying a peanut cost device is EXPERIMENTING....
What is important to us should be whether or not these are actual audio devices that change the sound, just like acoustic panels and bass traps do, vibration control devices do, equalizers do, DBXs & 3BXs (remember those) or are they some type of biological influencer like the temperature or humidity of the room, even smells or lighting in the room
Do you read my post?

TRY AN EXPERIMENT:

put a piece of shungite on it: the sound will be compressed...

Put an herkimer diamond: the sound will be decompressed...

Put the 2 together you will have a balanced effect...

Call that an objective perception if many people perceive the 2 effects...


IS it difficult to understand?


No i dont sell "snake oil" thanks for saying it....I sell creativity.... My brain is not bounded by prejudices.... I tried 30 minerals at least in a set of 2 years experiments....Each one has his own qualitative effects by the way..... I let mantras to believers zealots or to sunday sceptic zealots...

Thanks for saying that i am not a crook , only a deluded mind perhaps... 😁 But for me the deluded mind are those participating in  the blind consumerism of audio...

But deluded mind dont propose experiments... By the way.... If they do, it is easy to falsify....


I can change the sound of a room with a SINGLE straw.... i did it.... Is it delusion? No it is Helmhotz science....

Experiments are not opinions.... They are a process with an end which can be replicated....


Dont upgrade anything before embedding everything right.... is it snake oil?


You emotions are getting the best of you. You seem to take any questions about these things as a personal attack. You know they are not. Merely discussion to get to the facts....ie keep it real. Nothing more valuable than that. If you find that threatening, then look in the mirror for the cause my friend.
You are right i take things too personal...

I apologize another time for that....




BUT Measuring the schumann frequency itself  and measuring a change in DB coming from a speakers ARE not the same thing...

You confuse the 2.... To suggest that the whole idea is unsensical...

What is unsensical is confusing a complex apparatus to measure the real earth resonance of Schumann, with measuring a possible change in db coming from speakers...

bemused has NEVER proposed to measure the Schumann resonance from speakers... He as suggested a debatable process experiment to measure a possible change in frequencies  energy coming from the speakers when a cheap chinese device is in the room......

That is my point...

You citation post make no sense except to confort a refusal to experiment yourself...

Dont experiment if you decide not.... It is perfectly correct... But dont post unsensical argument about a simple experiment ...
...just to make matters worse.....a couple of years ago I read putting some kind of stone (don’t remember)in my house electrical panel, it would make my system sound better. I did.....it did
You are completely deluded....

Instead of taking unsensical measure, invest in real audio, buy a new dac or a new amplifier... You will be enlightened...And equalizer will do, a costly one will be better and you will begin to be rational...

Now you suffer placebo disease...

What are the cost of this "snake oil" completely irrational act?

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I have an all Ayre system.....need nothing better. One who is really an audiophile will experiment instead of stamping feet decrying "impossible"
I concur totally with your post...

My Sansui AU 7700 is a legendary good vintage, my Dac is a miracle at peanut costs, and my speakers are very good one: Mission Cyrus 781...

My question few years ago was why i dont love my very well chosen components?

The answer came clearly to my mind in the last 3 or 2 years slowly...With experiments...

My system so good it was , has never been installed rightfully in his 3 working embeddings dimensions...Mechanical, electrical and acoustical...

It is not surprizing that i was not in love with it like i am now....I has never listen to it working at his optimal potential like most people here their own system unbeknownst to them...

I described all my creations in my 23 pages solitary thread for 2 years; "miracles in Audio".... This was my journey...

If i succeeded anybody can at NO cost or at very low one....The advantage i have was an audio room a room where i could plan my experiments that help a lot...

I never bought "tweaks" for creating my heaven, they are way too costly, i replicated and modified some or simply invented new one...Like my S.G. grid connected and modified with minerals and stone... Like my specific 18 Helmholtz-Fibonacci pipes and tubes grid that work like a room tuner and created an activated room... Like my "golden plates" all along my electrical grid etc.... Like my dyssemetric compressive use of springs with damped box speakers....And other devices too "foolish" to mention here among, enlightened perhaps, but passive sceptic consumers....

But it seems, except for few people, that tried some of my idea, others believe only in costly upgrading and prefer to stay unsatisfied or forgetting their S.Q. or throwing money chasing their tails or the moon ....

That was not my way....
Just leave out the bias and bring in intellectual honesty.
If even a non scientist like me understand why not others?

Am i biased?  yes....

Nevermind i can speak truth if you ask me, i can recognize truth, it is why science and mathematics are so precious...

Like experimenting is....

In audio the truth is simple, the way we tune  a system, and it is possible at NO COST, is more important than the audio system itself...

Shumann generators are one means ONLY, and not the better or the more powerful one...

Helmholtz methods are other means ...

 And there exist many others one...

You can boast about your pricey speakers or amplifiers here, truth will not change, tuning and controlling rightfully the working embeddings dimensions of ANY audio system is  key to AUDIOPHILE experience itself nothing else....

Certainly not upgrading, even if it is a pleasure to do if we can....

Anybody can connect a new amplifier or costly speakers to the wall, installing them in the rightful environment is the key....

 Schumann Generators are only one of many tools for that.... Not a tweak, but a step in some dimension among others one....

Dont buy anything, create your own listenings experiments....
Mahgister..

Respectfully. You are not the only one who follows the need and sense to experiment. New materials and a sense for shapes that augment the sound not to make it chaotic and unpleasant are chief components of my product designs all thru my audio room and sound system. A lifelong expression. Tom
I apologize if i give the opposite impression...

I am here precisely because i know that they are many peple who already experimented...

But i am the only one that say loud and clear that a minimal  and even very good audiophile experience is there possible at LOW cost and even at near no cost....

I know first hand that you experiment and know what you speak about then i apologize for giving despite my intention  the opposite impression....

My deepest regards...
I am deeply moved by your generous assessment but i cannot change  my knowledge....

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I understand you....*s* But, you understand Me, which I consider a plus, if only to us. ;)
Beating hearts always synchronize...

Like resonant devices in a room...

In the 2 cases it is pure science...And sometimes love add to the sound.... 😊


If i was so sticked to Orthodox facts about audio in audio thread, i wll be frustrated today and waiting to upgrade with an audio system that did not satisfy me at all....

I am not....

I am curious to understand HOW work the S.G. in my room and body....I dont know.... Bemused posts is a beginning of a clear questioning...


But i created my S.G. grid, with 12 cheaps one connected by cables and modified with minerals, and it is simple to verify they worked...I begin with 2 non modified and i EXPERIMENTED...

I communicated this fact to some who tried it.... Even with my improved modification with golden plate and Herkimer dimamond...With success...

It is an audio thread ,save for some engineers whose work miraculously would be at the confine of MANY fields, no one here know the exact explanations about the S.G....Calling this snake oil is preposterous...






What is stunning for me is the way some stick to opinion instead of improving their system with experiments...

If i had said in the thread to all people to buy my dac, because it is an extraordinary one and cost 10,000 bucks they will all have listenend to me....Some would have bought it... So is the human...

If i said that i can modify a prepared room with only one straw with an impact huge like an upgrade, will you believe me? Probably not... BUT it is pure science....Helmholtz science...So is the human...






The truth is all people, self proclaimed scientist or real scientist included, are + or - binded by their opinions more than by investigative curiosity...Myself i was motivated by self interest more than only curiosity...


I always wanted an audiophile experience...It is the reason i inhabit these threads but i never had the money necessary to fulfill my dream of the BEST audio system... The difference between most of you here and me is that i created mine for 500 bucks and peanuts, i realize HOW to do it, with homemade dispositions or low cost products...I discover that tuning a system is more important than the system itself and it is the main audiophile law unbeknownst to most here...I am the only one who affirm that audiophile experience could cost very low money.... I never read it in an audio thread if so point this thread to me....


The S. G. is NOT the first device you must try in your room...With irrefutable positive results for all.... The effect is real but not audible by all for many reasons.... The perception of the effects depend of the acoustic specificity of the room and from the system also, because it is a real but subtle effect, and not only from the acuity or listening habits of the customer... Anyway it cost almost nothing to buy 2 cheap one...And having fun instead of mocking other intelligent human beings more investigative than us or less opinionated about what is or what is not "science"....



The way in Audio is tuning and controlling the 3 working dimensions
of any audio system... This is my discovery not "tweaking" but installing a set of listening experiments in relation to this 3 dimensions...

Not "tweaking" with costly device and not upgrading with costly product...This is not the way...

All audio thread are about these 2 uncompleted ways...Plugging a costly amplifier in the wall is not audio....

It is not my way....

I dont sell "snake oil" , i dont buy "tweaks"....

I think a lot about the many ways to controls my 3 working embeddings dimensions...Yes....

The modifications i installed on the S. G. are ONLY one of my grids of other devices grids...

For those who think"placebo" try my experiment:

Put shungite on the S. G. and listen...

Put an herkimer diamond and listen...

Put the 2 together and listen...

Instead of reading wiki to look for arguments for or against the S. G. and reinforcing your opinions you will LEARN something....

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I NEVER RECOMMENDED TO BUY COSTLY DEVICE....

Experiment with cheap one ....

If the cheap one work why buying costly one?

This will discourage other to experiment by themselves...

I bought myself no tweaks and no costly product...

Be creative and keep your money....

Consumerism is what plague audiophile thread, and forbid the real question : How to improve the experience at low cost working with the controls of the embeddings dimensions of the system: mechanical, electrical and acoustical....

We need minimal science and minimal money nothing else with experimenting....


@mahgister - I am glad you finally came around and are willing to admit it may be affecting you and not the sound. I have no opinion, I only beleive in FACTS.
did you read my post?

i NEVER exclude that the S.G. could act on my body/brain/ears but i devise an experiment to prove to ALL that it cannot work ONLY on the body and brain, but also physically in the room and on the audio field...

Put a shungite piece on top of it... result: compression of the sounds

After that try an Herkimer diamond , results : decompression of the sounds..

After that put the 2 together, results: a balanced more positive effect..

I experiments with 30 minerals for 2 years in line EACH day....


I have no opinion, I only beleive in FACTS.
You believe in facts you read about, me too.... But i believe MORE in the facts i experiment with....This is the difference between your post questionning and my last answer....












I know what i know...

I dont buy hype in audio thread...I dont sell products... I dont review products..

I sell CREATIVITY.....peanuts costs....

Contrary to what said all audiophile threads, audiophile experience MAY cost only peanuts if someone know how to improve a bit all the 3 working embeddings dimensions of his audio system..

I apologize to repeat this but i am the only ONE affirming this truth....And this truth MUST be said.... This is an helping and hopeful one for all those who cannot afford costly gear but who want to improve their system with the curiosity to experiment...

My system is not the best there is but i did not have any frustration left and many 7 figures systems sound less musically than mine.... Then........Upgrading even with the best gear is not the way, working with the controls embeddings is the way....Especially with costly systems....

If not why a costly system could produce harshness and fatigue and being less natural in timbre perception? It is not the engineereing design of the gear the problem, it is the defects in the 3 workings embeddings....
Interesting, English is also my second language. I have absolutely no problem understanding the meaning and intention of what mahgister writes; something that I cannot say about the writings of many who post on this forum and for whom English is the first. Moreover, if one considers what he writes about music it is clear that he is an extremely astute and insightful listener and, more importantly, music lover; if passionately exuberant. The link between language and musical skills is well documented. Others may disagree, but for me those are reasons enough to not be too quick to dismiss what he has to say about most things music and audio.
I know perfectly well how to read  the English of very good writer, and consequently know that mine is very bad and approximative at best...

But i hope understandable...

I am very humbled and deeply pleased by your appreciation tough...

My deepest regards.....
Could you please elaborate and substantiate - how many 7 figure (currency of denomination?) systems have you listened to and where, and what components were they comprised of? Any supporting evidence you can cite would be extremely helpful to both the specific case you are litigating in this thread about Schumann generators, but even more generally, would help advance the views and recommendations you espouse at large when it comes to the pursuit of sonic primacy.
You misread my intention or perhaps i was not communicating them adequately...


I NEVER affirm that my system is BETTER than a 7 figures system "per se"...


I am not stupid...Affirming so will be stupid...

I only say that when i listened to youtube some 7 figures system, at least at 2 different memorable occasions, that reveal EVEN through the limitations of mine the limit of the room where they worked...Any experienced acoustician already know that a good system in a bad room could sound bad.... I verify this by accident many times listening youtube... You cannot assess anything on youtube BUT harshness and unnatural timbre sometimes is truly there and not in my system testing with the same files...

I affirm that i was so glad with mine than i prefered mine....this is my truth...


BUT i dont say this in relation with the use of my Schumann generators at all...

I use 1 hundred resonators, with many connections in my room, with Helmholtz tubes and pipes,and bottles with near 45 "golden plates" all along my electrical grid with many other devices....I even use ionizers with great success....

The reason why my system pleased me is the SUM of all this not the results of the S.G. mainly and only...

Dont use my words against me....

Read it like i intent to communicate them.... I know that saying that with the S.G. matter will make it like a false CLAIM about S.G. use...


I already said it CLEARLY that S.G. cannot be used generally like the FIRST working embedding controls...

Is it clear? I hope so...

My Helmoltz pipes and tubes grid is more impactful on the room than the S.G. and work and add completely different qualities to the system...

I affirm that Helmholtz acoustic science is more helpful than any UPGRADE at any cost yes....The S.G. is very good but way less impactful for example...