SAEC Making Tonearms Again!

This is a Link I discovered from the Munich Hi End Show.

It does look to make a good case for SAEC Arms and offers something extra for  those who are dedicated to using the Brands Products.

https://www.fonolab.com/fonolab-saec-we-308-models-lineup

I have not had a demonstration of a SAEC WE-4700 arm, I am not in a position to pass judgement as I would in nearly all cases, reserve any comments of performance and impression made until such a time as I have had a in the room experience.

Where I do form an opinion is that it quite an expensive arm, so at this purchase price, I would suggest a long list of Tonearms prior to producing a short list of Tonearms to be investigated further, if an individual is interested in parting with such monies as a purchase value. 

The SAEC arm, as I have made known before in other threads has used PC Tripe C wire was the internal signal wire and to my knowledge is the only commercial produced arm with this wire on offer.

I have been converting to PC Triple C and DUCC Wire in my system over a period of time and have offered demonstrations to others in their home systems. The outcome being that I have been instrumental in the changes of signal wire others have succumb to adopting.

One such individual has been prompted by myself to adopt the PC Triple C wire as the signal wire used on their design of Tonearm.

It took some time to finally materialise, but there is now a Tonearm I have received demonstrations of with PC Triple C signal wire, with the result being it one of the most impressive experiences I have been party to on a Tonearm design I have been witnessing develop over the past few years.

There are options for earlier guises of the arm to undergo small changes to the design around the mechanical interfaces, which I agree are beneficial to the overall performance.

The newly adopted use of the PC Triple C wire is the one I would promote as the must have element of the available design changes.

Another friend who has their own Tonearm design has now been informed that if they are not investigating the use of PC Triple C as their signal path wire, they may be selling their design short, not letting it deliver to its very best.

I am now hoping that a Cartridge is produced in the not too distant future using this wire for the coil winding, I am hopeful there is a diameter produced that will suit this purpose. 

Note: Furukawa stopped producing OCC Wire many years ago, but produced a substantial amount in advance of their departure, hence Furutech have been using this Stockpiled Wire in their Brand for numerous years. 

Furukawa own the Company Fine Chemicals and Materials, which carried out the R&D for the New Wire Material PC Triple C.

PC Triple C wire used in A/B Comparisons to both OCC and OFC has shown it to be substantially improved over OFC and noticeably improved over OCC.

To date, I have exchanged Phono Tag Wires, Phono Interconnects, Speaker and Power Cables. The entirety of the Loom is not yet fully exchanged but most devices have had the Cables attached to them and improved presentation has resulted.

My offering demonstrations of these wires in other systems has been very well received by the systems owners, and there are now others I know who have took to the use of this wire and have extended the use of it beyond my own.

There is as said previously a Tonearm with it in use as a Internal Signal Wire and it is also being used as the wire internally in anther groups Phonostages. I am wondering myself if it is worth the expense to have it used as the Hard Wire within my point to point wired Phon' .  

I have also introduced DUCC Wire as well, to learn if sharing the different methods for producing the wires can offer the system a presentation that is perceived as being beneficial and offering further improvement. 

I also have available the quite expensive PC Triple C/EX Wire but am yet to put this to trial. 

I have heard the PC Triple C used as a Power Cable which has been Cryo Treated and Nano Treated, during the A/B Trial, the Nano Treated has had the most impressive impact on the system used and the devices it was used on. The Cryo Treated Power Cable owner has acquired Nano Treated Wire as a result of the experience of the trial.    

The following will supply a description of PC Triple C wire.

It is based on the Furukawa technical materials prepared by engineers, not by audiophiles. The purity of copper obtained in this process may not seem impressive as the FCM website claims the percentage to be 99.996% or more. However, this material has a completely different structure than even the PCOCC copper. The thus obtained copper has been called PC-triple C, from ​​Pure Copper-Continuous Crystal Construction. In the final production stage, the conductors are subjected to an aging process, where larger crystals coalesce with each other, forming monocrystalline areas.

SAEC are trying out something very new, they are pioneering the use a State of the Art Signal Wire in their Tonearm, their choice for the signal wire is produced by a Company that really does know a thing or two about wire production.

I can’t fault the use of PC Triple C wire in any way, as a Signal Wire and Umbilical Cable when attached to my owned devices.

When used on my system as an external Cable, throughout a Sources Signal Path and being compared to the older produced wire designs used in Cables, especially OCC wire, the PC triple C, is out in front and not really in the company of a competitor. For this reason the wire has become notable and is a material worthy of being referenced and made known.

I turned away from Silver Wire quite some time ago, a owned Tonearm that has Silver Wire used as continuous signal wire was put on the Subs Bench quite a few years ago, even though I did recently give it an excursion, where it was out being used during a TT demonstration at another home.

My earliest experience of PC Triple C was one that almost immediately put expensive Silver OCC Phono DIN > RCA Cable back in its box very shortly after a PC Triple C Cable was compared to it. The Silver OCC has remained in storage for since it was put away.

I certainly am not going to make a Statement as to what is the best wire to be used on a Tonearm, or wire that is best to be used in a Cable on a Signal Path.

I like many, have had hands on experience with OFC Copper, OCC Copper, OCC Silver, being used as wire on a Vinyl LP Sources Signal Path, these wire types are no longer on my radar for use in my home system. If a friend needed cable to get them out of trouble, I would happily make them available for these reasons, but if I were to demonstrate a Cables Capability today, PC triple C is the material for this.

These old wire designs when compared to PC triple C on my system and the few other systems I have heard using it, has made a really positive impression on myself, as well as the owners of the other systems, the New Design Wire in use is simply out in front of the other contenders, once experienced it is difficult to imagine the future with out it included.

I will say solely, that I am not able to see myself taking a step back to older design wires, I have progressively adopted New Wire Designs over the years.

The want to create a New Signal Path in my system, using the latest design wires has got my full attention and budget allocation.

@lewn I am not aware of any posts I have made where crystals are part of the content, but maybe I have? early mornings and older age cam create a absent mind.

I am assuming this post from you is a response to my making it known, as a result of experiences, I am a advocate of PC Triple C and D.U.C.C Wire.

This may be if interest or not, but there are other Gon forum members, in a small number making it known they are trying out PC Triple C signal wire in a cable, following witnessing my commentary on the experience I have with it. Reports are now beginning to feed back where there are claims that the Cable used has made a very good impression and is likely to be the replacement for previous used Cables.

There are now approx' 5 x Tonearms having been upgraded to PC Triple C by the designer of the Tonearm I own.  

As stated in a previous post in relation to PC Triple C being used as a signal wire in a Tonearm,  "The newly adopted use of the PC Triple C wire is the one I would promote as the must have element of the available design changes."

Keeping D.U.C.C signal wire in the Loop, I took a 0.7mtr and 1.2mtr length of Cable to a demonstration very recently. The intention of the day was to be demonstrated a new to the HiFi Groups system. The usual schedule was in place, the owner presents and following this the Group adds devices to enable the owner to experience a different presentation, sonic, SQ.

When having been through different permutations of digital sources to DAC's, Cables as connectors between DAC's was on the menu. The D.U.C.C has thoroughly impressed, this was a unanimous agreement.

The system owner now has a Cable Pair retained as loan items, to extend the use of them at other interfaces.  

Ah, I will say the info' is a copy/paste from the producers Web Pages. 

It certainly is not my usual terminology when describing something, that is typically constrained to the impression made from a experience encountered.