Room Correction/Crossover


I am considering going to an active satellite/sub scheme. The subs would be active. I am absolutely sold on room and frequency/phase correction, so that's a necessity. Basically, I do not wish to give up 1) my amp (VAC Phi Beta 110i), 2) the DAC (Berkeley Alpha), or, most importantly, 3) my vinyl. The obvious choice, at least when it comes to room correction and digital crossover, is the DEQX HDP-3. Lyngdorf would also be a possibility, but it's unclear to me whether their products provide crossover capabilities.
So, my questions are, first, can anyone clear up that last bit regarding Lyngdorf, and second, do you have alternative suggestions? I would have a very strong preference for a one box solution. Thanks in advance.
curriemt11

Showing 1 response by amfibius

Hi Curriemt this comes a little late for you given that you have already ordered your unit, but I would strongly suggest that you forget about trying to correct your room electronically. I had a look at your very impressive system and it appears that you are fortunate enough to have your own "man-cave" - if you have complete freedom to do what you want with your room, it is far better to achieve room correction using room treatments.

Earlier this evening I was reading Jools' excellent write-up on his TaCT unit here on A'gon: http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?aamps&1006563704&&&/Opinions-on-TacT-RCS-Room-Correction-Sys

AFAIK the Lyngdorf is a rebranded TaCT.

My own experience with my DEQX leads me to agree with everything he said. I am not afraid of the learning curve, but what he said about the feeling of neurosis is very true. The feeling that you can squeeze out more performance, along with the realization that some discs sound horrible and some sound better - and the key to consistency is to go back to a simple system.

You already know about the potential performance hit from the AD conversion. I think the severity of the "hit" varies from system to system. The ideal system is one which feeds digital signal straight to the processor and the worst would be one like yours which has a high end analog rig.

But the real nail in the coffin for me came when I realized that all room correction packages only correct for problems in the frequency domain, and even then at one position only. If you walk around your room with a RTA and some pink noise, you will see that the F/R aberrations will vary quite wildly, sometimes by as little as moving the RTA 1 foot to the front or back. This means that your room correction will sound OK at the sweet spot, but horrible everywhere else.

Furthermore, room correction does nothing for time domain problems such as ringing or echoes. If you have a live sounding room, room correction will do nothing. Remember that the sound that you hear is a combination of the direct wave from the speaker, and a time delayed wave (or waves) caused by room reflection. The proportion of each will vary from room to room, and the unit will not be able to do anything about that.

Inevitably, the measurement you take will result in horrible sound and you will end up having to tweak it yourself anyway. This feeds back into the neurosis that you are not getting it right.

The real value of the unit is what you can learn from it. I can see the peaks and dips of my room, and I know what it sounds like if I get it as flat as possible. I have removed the DEQX from my system. My next step is to get a set of Helmholtz resonators made to my specifications to get rid of some nasty bass peaks which I identified with the measurements. This will not only remove the peak, it will also remove ringing.

Ultimately, the best approach is to make your room sound as neutral as possible, so that your room correction device has to do as little work as possible. I do not know what your room is like, so I do not know how much benefit you will gain from this device. If you have a really bad room, you will have to look at other solutions in place of (or in addition to) your Lyngdorf.

Good luck with it.