thks for the good advice.i live in a land where i have to buy from word of mouth only.from what i have been reading on different sites is all i have to go on.here's the list:zu def is a interesting speaker along with the van 5a's - not in the budget.db-99's sound like a good one,with the rm-40's.i think i may have to bite on the veracity 3's.they fit the budget and spark a big interest.B&W'S UP FOR SALE