Good review. Thanks for the information. Given your musical preferences and the type of sound you prefer, what disc players do you recommend?
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Personally, I prefer my sound natural and real.
tks for the review and the very objective feedback. This being said, as owner of a UDP1 for 18 months, I am really surprised by your assessment. If I had to summarize my time with it I would have said: "not the last word in accuracy but musicality first and foremost. I happen to own a dozen of albums in both LP and CD and the UDP1 is the player that gave me the most ressemblance, the most liquidity..compared to YBA CD3 Delta, Gamut CD1, Quad 99 II, Moon Equinox and Rega Jupiter". On the other hand I spent a week end with a pair of VR4 Jr and I found them to be really short in the "musicality" department...could this be the case for you too? again, to each his own and his opinion but UDP1 is musical before being accurate in my book.
It is early on in the evaluation stage, but I have just
taken delivery on an EAR Acute CDP. I am temporarily running it direct to my amps while awaiting the Full
function preamp it will run through soon. I have never been a fan of CDP running direct, but my initial impressions are very positive on this player. I cannot do without the
soul, and this CDP seems to have it goin on. I have never
felt that in reading some of the great reviews here on the Gon that I could write a good one. I may not have a whole
lot more to say anytime soon, at least until my preamp arrives. Coincidentally, I am running the Acute in to a McCormack DNA 500. I just bought this amp and am primarily
a tube guy. The EAR replaced amy AA Capitole 2. It is too
early to jump for joy but so far , so very good. FWIW,
I still own my tube amps.
Thanks for the comments.
I never use the word "musical" because is a word hard to describe and anyone can have a different aproach to its real meaning.
For start, I have heard the VR4jr for a very long time in different set ups and I can say that his sound is a little laid back, his midrange is not very present, its image and soundstage are first class, very 3d. Also the VR4jr has an amazing bass if you have the time and pacience to tune it(we are talking about hard positioning, a lot of lead shot, and some dacron in the posrt), its highs are beautifulbut not very present. Also, it is not, by any means, a dynamic speaker.
Being said that, I dont know if the above apply for "musical" or not "musical" . Thats is the tricky nature of that word. So it is best to be avoided.
Then, I have said very good things about this player like "During the session I didn’t at anytime feel any shortcoming in the performance of the UDP1". Thats a lot.
Later I also said, "the performance of the UDP1 in redbook was so good that the differences between that and SACD were always very short, if any at all" and later I stated that SACD BY THE UDP1 was the most vinyl like experience coming out of a digital I have heard. Here, we are talking about a leader of the pack.
What I really said is that it has a very good mix of the best of the tube/warm sound and the best of the ss/accurate sound with a foot on the latter side.
And that maybe can be more of the likings of the analytical squad. But I never said the UPD1 was a analytical unit all the way.
I liked it a lot but I would prefer something a more liquid, organic sound (most in the midrange is you ask me)presentation of the event.
Now, I havent heard the regular UDP1 so I dont know if the deluxe is more analytical.
As for cd players I like
Universal Players: Audio Aero Capitole MKII, Ayre Cx5 and APL Denon 3910.
Redbook only players: Bat VK-D5Se, Monarchy ,Meridian 508.24 and Audio note CD2.
I did not mean to upset you and I find you quite defensive. That you said good things or bad things is not the point, I am not affiliated with McCormack nor in love with any of my gear...I find that your comments were interesting since somehow opposite to what I experienced, no more no less. At the same time, I have a hard time really understanding what you meant...
Personally, I prefer my sound natural and real.You not only use the term "musical" but also "musical soul"..hum, what does it mean? implying the sound was neither natural nor real..humm, what is a real and natural sound?
May be so I can undrestand really what you meant in your review "neither tube nor SS, neither analytical all the way nor organic, neither musical nor natural or real but very good and accurate (real vs. accurate, please explain!)" what kind of player would be your cup of tea? I think I and many on Agon would love to find a very accurate player with a lot of musical soul and organic while real, which one would you suggest?
Sorry if my words sounds so defensive. That was not my intention.
Maybe I didnt explain myself as I would have wanted.
Now, I will try harder.
I meant "Musical soul" as a lack of organic, liquid, sound. I didnt use that word to qualify the sound of the machine at all just was trying to build an image so others could easily understand the idea.
When I quoted in my earlier mail all the good things I said in the review, just was trying to give you an idea of the difficult line Im trying to draw here.
A terrific machine with a little step into the analytical side.
Then for "real" in audiophile terms, I understand a sound that can make me believe im listening to the performers and not to a stereo set up.
And I really think real and accurate are not the same in anyway. At least for me.
An acurate sound, very detailed, with extremely good separation of instruments sound could make you more involved with the "wow that trumpet" "heard that timbal?" "what a bass line!!" mood and less involved with the music itself.
A lot of my audiophiles friend have almost forgot to listen to the music and they prefer to listen to the great highs, or the very defined bass.
Just like to go to the circus, and when the clowns come out, you instead of just watch and listen to the jokes, dedicate to watch the color and shape of the clown shoes and how they reflect the spotlights. You missed the jokes completely. It is an option indeed. Thats whats happening more and more with some people I know. Happily, not all.
When I wrote all that nor this, nor that, I was trying to state a difficult middle point between a ss and a tube sound. Thats all.
I havent find that player yet, my quest continues.
But I always prefered the non upsampling ones and my likings are somehow on the warm,organic sound.
I have been an owner of the UDP-1 Deluxe for 9 months and have had many wonderful hours listening to a variety of music. Recently I changed the stock PC to an Audience Power Chord. WOW, what a difference that made. The sound is much more dynamic, silky smooth with an even blacker background, more musical soul. If I didn't know better, I would believe I was listening to a very good vinyl rig. The UDP-1 Deluxe appears to be very sensitive to power chords. Just curious, were you listening with the stock chord?
I owned both the original UDP-1 and the Deluxe version and I liked the original better. This is not the first time that this has happened to me with a component. Updated components usually sound different but they do not always sound better to me. The Deluxe was more analytical and less musical to me. There was a coherence to the sound with the original UDP-1 that seemed missing with the Deluxe version. I did think the video was better with the Deluxe version.
Own the UDP-1
ot is good, but the Yamaha cheapo sc300cd did sound more airy, and open, more stadium like if this makes sense. ??
im keeping track the udp-1 for its usefulness,
but if I had a cd choice, the Yamaha would be in its place, if I didn’t have a poor experience with my first one a year or so back.
skipping, on a couple specific CDs. McCormack does not skip
it’s an older machine, and still does not skip.
i use a Sherwood 5cd changer on 2nd system for 15-20 years, no issues, granted very low hours, as the 2nd system gets low use, as it’s in basement.
But the yamaha just sounded good and crystal clear. Even wife complimented it sounded stadium like and open.,
im at an emphasis, I may just have to buy another Yamaha to retire the Sherwood.