Wow- excellent review! There was another rave review at stereo times of these. Just wish I could shake loose $5K at the moment. I guess I'll just have to enjoy them by proxy for awhile. Keep posting your impressions!
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It's true about the speakers :>) The speakers are unique, and patents to prove it, but the real proof is in the listening.
Also there are some unique patent-worthy features to be found in the design of this company's amplifier. (Preamp, not heard due to in-home accident, after safe traveling from China to USA)
Speakers, and amplifier heard to very good effect in the Hyperion system demo at the Connecticut Audio Society meeting last month. Due to new pieces coming right out of the box, there was a refining of the sound as hours passed during the meeting.
There is a definite trend to affordable prices as excellent equipment comes from part of the Chinese audio industry.
Hyperion is truly a family business, and this is keystone reason for its personalized, and responsible treatment of potential, and existing customers.
Although the review by Dracule1 is only one person's opinion, there is remarkable congruency with the consensus of many listeners who listened as a group to their favorite test CD's.
Attention Larryb, you can have these speakers for true bargain list price of only $4K, although you've just about paid for their great accompanying amp, if you include the extra $1K, because during this introductory phase there may still be some additional direct marketing price reduction when you combine with same company's amp, and preamp.
Because the sound can be so enjoyable with moderate output, moderately priced, transistor, or tube amps, one can impress fellow audiophiles for less than you pay many other companies.
I was looking for a dealer in France after reading all those enthousiast listening. I found nobody selling (or knowing)Hyperion in France, Germany or England. Yesterday I contacted a dealer from Poland, he seems to be very serious and propose HPS 938 with 10% discount and no shipping charge (door to door shipping). There are no VAT or taxes as it is a EU deal. I still hesitate because it's difficult to buy speakers without listening them.
As MGH (also read on audioasylum) I'm very found or my Magnepan MG 2.5R but they are difficult to drive an even with good source an electronics they still have this lack of bass and chest thumping.
Any help is welcome
Sounds like a good deal on the 938s if no tax and shipping is included. Just make sure they are an authorized dealer. If you run into problems, Hyperion will take good care of you. Go to their website Hyperionsound.com and contact Albert Wu with any questions.
I used to own the Maggie 3s. Although they have improved the sound over each iteration, I still feel you will be much more satisfied with the 938s because the midrange is more transparent and pure, you get more accurate imaging and staging, integration of highs/mids/bass is superb, and you can get bass as tight as Apogees but with the chest thumping. It's easier to place and drive. I'm running my 938s with 30 watts of tube power to satisfying levels in my room. But a good solid state amp is needed to get the slam and drive in the bass.
Excellent THOROUGH review!
Glad to hear that another ex-audiophile is back with us in this insane asylum we call audiophile-dom.
I too must confess to being VERY intriqued by these 'speaks, especially after reading the review @ Stereo Times -- but now after reading this, I'll for sure have to get out & hear a pair!
Again, great job & welcome back!
Excellent, thorough, very professional and passionate review! Thank you!
I have been holding off in this thread for a while.
As some may know, I wrote up a big recommendation in my annual "TRELJA In New York", 2004 edition. I, and my two friends, were bowled over by this incredibly finished, superb sounding speaker. To be brief, I expected from the look and sound for it to be a $12K - $18K speaker. It was THAT good.
The company owner even requested permission to use my statements in their advertising, which I agreed to.
However, since this time, despite some e - mails back and forth, correspondence with the company has been mostly miss, as opposed to hit. Several of the members of my audio group asked me to purchase the speakers on their behalf. However, at times, I did go months without a reply on two separate occasions(including right now). Others have experienced the same thing, including a promiment dealer who I discussed the situation with.
In no way am I saying these are not fine sounding, well built speakers. Just that the fact that they use proprietary drivers and have no company history, I would like to make sure that purchasers go in with their eyes wide open.
It's a 50%/50% chance, you could wind up with something analogous to my Coincident speakers that I bought in 1997 before ANYONE ever heard of the company or you could end up with a pair of Paragons. Given that the Chinese companies have been coming on, things may be peaches and cream. But, there are a few instances of late of Chinese companies disappearing into thin air.
Dracule1, I wish you the best with these speakers, and please let us know if the replacement pair are delivered to you in November. Hopefully, this post will assure you of that, as it will raise the eyebrows of the audio community.
I agree with Trelja. I have heard them with him. His very positive review was prominently posted for months on Audiogon's home page. I feel strongly about it because I am briefly mentioned as endorsing the product as well. Trelja did not ask for or accept any compensation for doing this. Mr. Wu's request that he use his words for free in advertising was given without hesitation. His not having the decency to answer the e-mail inquiries says a great deal about their character. Therefore I must disagree with Dracule's comments that because the company sent him something for free endows the company with anything beyond giving him payment for a damaged product. I am deeply dissapointed.
Trelja, Although caution is important in every endeavor, including the search for a great system, Albert Wu, sales manager, who demo'ed recently to the Connectict Audio Society, can be reached at his business card telephone number 1-646-262-7027 (New York City).
I have found the old fashioned telephone can be more efficient when trying to reach someone who is busy, in this era of overactive spam filters. Email has dropped the ball a number of times, in my own experience.
Another telephone contact number 1-909-598-2535, on the west coast (California).
If neither of these contact numbers gets the job done, please post again your experience for the rest of us to know.
Thanks Trelja for your comments. We spoke on here months ago regarding these speakers, but it has taken me this long to give a fair and accurate review of these speakers. I wanted to make sure I wasn't suffering from "jump on the bandwagon" fever one can experience with any new innovative product.
I'm sorry your and Mechans' interactions with Mr Wu have not been to your expectations. But you got to give the guy a break - the guy is trying to start up a new company in a foreign country in a business where we expect Mercedes dealer type treatment. Not an easy task. As Listener57 stated, I found calling by phone to be the best method of getting a hold of Mr Wu.
But I believe Mechans statement about getting "something for free endows the company with anything beyond giving him payment for a damaged product" is completely out of line. First of all, it is not a payment for a damaged product because I am getting replacement speakers. How many audio companies in the past have actually sent you something for free that actually makes a significant improvement on the sound of your equipment because they felt your expectations were not met? In my experience, none. Mr Wu did not have to. All I was expecting were replacement speakers. I have talked to others who have purchased these speakers, and they have had no problems with them at all. I suspect the damage occurred during customs inspection on the West Coast.
I have received assurance from the dealer, James on the West Coast, and Mr Wu that I will receive replacement speakers. This is before each were aware I have talked to any one of them. If I do not recieve replacements as promised, then I would have to side with Mechans. But that's really jumping the gun. You can't expect a new company built by audiophiles to get everything right on the first try. Be patient and give these guys a chance because you rarely find products like this in highend unless you're willing to skip buying your next car.
So far I have been very satified with the company.
I can't comment on the Krells or some of the speakers you mention, but I did audition the Dali MS5s for 2 hours and to a lesser extent MS4s. IMO, the 938s are more transparent, has purer midrange, and has better micro/macrodynamics. The MS5 on paper has more extension in the extremes, but subjectively I'm not sure if I could tell a difference. But take my comments with a grain of salt because I didn't do a direct side to side comparison using the same electronics and wires.
I am not as considerate as my friend. He urks me to shame that way.
Let me also congratulate you for your well written review, especially of the sonics. I agree that these are excellent speakers. I understand your passion for them.
I am also not as diplomatic as he is. I thought I was being reserved, trust me on that.
Thank you for explaining your expectations and your curiosity about the damage.
I will excersize the patience you recommend and eagerly await your follow-up. P.S. Would you be kind enough to e-mail privately just a couple of simple questions.
One thing I need to impress upon people is that ANY new company that requires its customers to chase after them is not providing good customer service by any stretch of the imagination.
This cannot even be argued.
Give Albert a break, he is starting up a new company - are you kidding me??? What about about all of the other businesses in this industry who have to fight and scratch for everything they do here.
The customer service of Lexus? Let me tell you a few things about Lexus, despite the fact that their automobiles don't mesh with my tastes, they are superbly engineered, incredibly well executed, and backed up by customer service that is the envy of any business. The fact remains that if you were indeed purchasing a Lexus, you would have NEVER been delivered a product that was not perfect from day one in the first place. It's because the Lexus dealer is providing VALUE to you.
You want me to call Albert Wu? For what? I don't need a pair of speakers. I was merely setting him up with two or three buyers, who I might mention committed to buying these speakers. I have e - mailed him several times, and he knows where to find me, as he finds me when he wants to find me. As I stated above, if you need to chase a company in order to buy their product do you really want to buy their product? What will happen if you need a replacement driver three years from now? Hopefully, you will be taken care of.
Again, in now way do I think the Hyperion is not a fabulous sounding, wonderfully finished product. I have been consistent with that opinion since first listen. But, to put them into the same category as the customer service one will get from the likes of Bobby Palkovic, Ralph Karsten, and Kevin Hayes is something I can't bear to remain silent on.
Trelja, I got through to Albert Wu on the third ring to phone number 1-646-262-7027, on Sunday, so if there is someone interested in reaching him at that number, there is hope.
Are you confusing salesmanship with customer service? I am sure from my conversation with Mr. Wu, there was some form of communication slip-up, not a desire to ignore potential purchasers. He is so conservative that he was reluctant to even post in this discussion thread, for fear of offending those who don't like to see manufacturer comments during a member discussion. He has not even posted his latest reviewer favorable comments.
I know his heart is in the right place, and I can't help thinking you have too harsh a view of what happened. Anyway, your point is well taken that each of us looks for respect from those in the industry that we contact, and I am simply conveying to you that this company does respect current, and future customers, to the extent that demos to audio clubs are held, and telephone communication has seemed to be useful, as an email backup.
Ultimately, each Audiogon member has to develop his own comfort level with what represents proper customer service, and there are those quite satisfied with the company's service.
Moderate list pricing for high quality is "a good thing" that this company is offering. Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.
Trelja, I don't quite know what exactly is your beef with Mr Wu. Mr. Wu actually called me the very same night after you posted your reservations on this board. He was concerned about your post and assured me that I will be getting replacement speakers and should not worry. He gave me his side of what was going on between you and him. There is more to this story than what you lead on. I do not want to get into this argument because it really is not my affair. It is between you and Mr Wu and should not be discussed here.
Regarding Lexus treatment. I had two friend who bought Lexuses that came with defects (driver side rear view mirror not functioning and the other had blinker problems). These were fixed, the cars were not replaced. So no manufacturer are immune from defects. So please do not preach to me about Lexus engineering and treatment. The problems with my speakers are cosmetic that probably happened during customs inspection, not a engineering defect of the speakers.
I am an actual Hyperion customer who actually went through an authorized dealer and bought the speakers. I did not try to chase Mr Wu to buy the speakers as I thought it would be more appropriate to go through a dealer. I have to emphasize that I have received more than fair treatment from this company. This is my experience as a customer who owns Hyperion speakers.
Trelja, I don't know if you have ever personally started a business from the ground-up or not.
If you haven't, let me tell you from personal experience, it was literally a hundred times harder than I ever thought it would be and that was after doing two years of research and writing a very comprehensive business plan.
I think your words of caution are prudent about buying from any new startup, but beyond that, you seem to be hyperventilating a bit.
If the Hyperions are as good a everyone says, relax a little and the principals will probably catch-up once they get past their initial launch. I suspect they have a lot on their plate right now.
When Mr. Wu needed help Trelja was there for him.
Mr. Wu can make up anything he wants to convince you he is a victim. All trelja expects is an e-mail is that so much to ask. Not answering is simply rude. Trelja does not want anything for himself.
Before jumping to conclusions why don't you get the whole story.
Ask me-I was there and know exactly what transpired.
Mr. Wu is an "Authorized dealer".
He is not above a conversation, although I doubt Trelja even wants to speak with this "kind good hearted gentleman" after the way he treated him.
Remember it was Wu asked for asked him directly for permission. It was to his advantage, now he can't bring himself to even send an e-mail.
That certaintly sounds like good business to me.
Well, guys this is really getting out of hand. This thread was initiated to post MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE SPEAKERS AND THE COMPANY.
Some of you had a different experience than I with Mr Wu. Trelja and Mechans have a right to post their experiences, but guys we've beaten this one to death. I'm sorry to hear about your dissatisfaction, but it is innappropriate to discuss your problems here to such an extent when Mr Wu is not here to defend himself. And I don't think it is wise for Mr Wu to post here as it will lead to "he said, you said" flame war. As far as I'm concerned, these are personal matters that should be dealt with those parties directly involved, and NOT ON THIS THREAD. Mechans and Trelja if you want to tell me your side of the story you can email me privately.
If people want to know more about these speakers/my system or want to post their experience with these wonderful speakers, please do so. I welcome it. Anything else, please start your own thread.
Tcbannon, the 938s, I found, are very chameleon-like in many ways. If you have a very forward sounding CDP, the 938s will reveal that. The stock philips tube in my CDP is forward and sometimes hard sounding. When I replaced it with an Electroharmonics cryoed tube, the speaker became very laid back and very smooth with better depth and imaging. In some ways, I wish I could retain some of the in your face presentation without the hardness as it sounds more "alive" to me.
My silver cables sounded very hard, grainy, and forward when I first installed them. Now it is smooth as silk, open, and more laid back.
So I really do think it depends on the components you use with the speakers. So select the components to your taste. But when the music calls for dynamics and slam, it can be startling.
thanks so much for trying to keep the thread to speakers. Regarding your room "boom" :-) Have you tried the DIY tube traps? I had a standing wave in my room and i made 16 tubes and placed them symetrically around mt 13.5' x 18' room. they really work very well and at a fraction of the cost. here is the site with the recipe. http://www.teresaudio.com/haven/traps/traps.html Hope it helps your boom.
Let me just say that I have no problem with Albert Wu. At all.
There are those in this thread who are becoming quite defensive about me raising the issue of not being able to get into contact with Hyperion regarding purchasing a few speakers for some folks in my audio group. It's water over the bridge. Just accept what I say is true, and that there are definitive risks in beginning a new venture, but I pointed out that if the company takes off, you are getting one heck of a pair of speakers - at least to my ears. I also want you to understand that there are risks involved, the success rate of high end audio companies tends to be a bit dicey. If you have a problem with this statement, you need to consider your own intestinal fortitude, as you have a problem with honesty.
Albert has e - mailed me already. Again, I have never had any issue with the man, beyond going through a period where I was attempting to submit an order for his product with no response. If things are on track now, that is wonderful. I wish him and the company nothing but the best. If you would really see what my true intent was, it was clearly to perk things up to ensure that your replacement speakers will, in fact, arrive as promised.
I am a part of a startup company, and I know full well the issues involved. It's an effort. But, I will say that we are doing things the right way, as the previous ownership tried to relaunch our company, and ended up screwing a of people out of product and money - myself included. So, if I am more of a watchdog when it comes to a startup company, you can understand why. I can pledge that we are doing everything possible with our own management that ensures that our customers never have even a remote doubt about things on our end.
I wish good luck to Albert, Hyperion, and all of the company's customers. As I said before, you are getting a marvelous sounding, beautifully finished loudspeaker. I am nothing if not a fan.
When asked privately about the sound of the HPS 938. This quote is taken directly from the e-mail I sent in response. "If you want truly transparent, exciting, holographic sound, with fast transients, and excellent sound staging its worth the drive."
They are exceptionally good speakers.
But the experiences of some, with the people in this small industry are not irrelevant. Why are there so many posts about this or that company going bankrupt etc.? Or why isn't have I not gotten what I ordered months ago by now? Its not a FLAME war it is simply information.
I have not had any trouble with Albert, but you already have. In your own words "for your troubles" (I presume the photographic documentation you felt was necessary in case of any dispute) of the scratches and chips. You received a damaged pair. You blame the customs inspectors. I would think, that an intelligent person, would have considered other potential reasons. (You appear to be intelligent to me)
I have bought 5 pieces of "high end" equipment within the last 1.5 years, from China. All were in perfect/pristine condition. Like I said its really a small world in high end. I have a friend who is a national distributor for one of the better selling Chinese companies. He is doing a very brisk business (not a competitor in the speaker market.) I can ask him how much damage he experiences.
Finally please accept my congatulations once again, for the fine review. I sincerely wish you have many years of enjoyment to come with your Hyperions. I hope they succeed, after all I was one of the first to pubicly announce via Trelja's report that there was this remarkable new speaker.
When you are given the replacements, would you kindly let us know, it will be reassuring to the people considering buying them. Thank you very much.
Yes I have tried single and biwiring. I prefer the biwiring as it sounds more open to me. I have the biwires going to the midrange and bass unit with jumpers from the midrange to the tweeters.
I heard the VS vr4jr and Hyps at the NY hifi show. I liked the Hyps much better. Just sounds more transparent and more involving to me.
I really haven't had the chance to compare the Watt 7 side by side. I have heard them multiple times in the past at shows and dealer show rooms, and I never really thought they were worth the asking price. There is a guy who sold his Watt 7 after hearing the Hyps though.
Greetings from the US.
Dracule 1, THe Audio Zone AMP-1 is a gainclone.
Both are chipamps , but 47lab Gaincard started the hype , thats why the rest are called gainclones(I think).
About the DAC`s ,it`s a difficult choice.
The Benchmark got great reviews in US , but some people here in Holland say , that it`s sounding a litle cold(digital), emotionless.
The APogee let you hear also everything but with more emotion.
One Reviewer ,who tested both ,prefered the APogee because of this reason.
Good News: I received my Hyperions today!
BUt didn`t had time to unpack them, just opened the box: nice pianoblack finish.