This is a very helpful review, as I have recently purchased a pair of Andras and have not been able to find any direct comparisons between the original and version II. The upgrade in sound quality you describe does seem hugely impressive, given how good I think the original Andras sound. Having auditioned a number of other "big name" speakers the Andras clearly stood out as being something special to me. I'm now looking to upgrade my amp to get the most out of the speakers, I note you are using Classe CAM-350s, did you audition the likes of Mark Levinson and Krell (which I've been told have a good synergy with EW speakers) before choosing the Classe and if so would you be able to give a quick description of the different sonic traits of each? I would also be interested to hear of any other amps you might have auditioned with your Andras. Thanks for your help.
Mgottlieb the reason why I post this, because my friend
is convince that Krell 300 is the answer but Iam not
convince, Krell are excellent amp, but they are not
my preference, I would rather spend money for the modication
of Andra, thinking the andra's upgrade will improve the sensitivity, to make my monos amps more effecient.
Well I finally had the chance to Audition the krell FBB
300, the sound is very very good,but its not musical
compare to my oddyssey extreme monos, with my audio
art preamp, the sound of krell in my system is not
natural, I have been hearing people describing the metallic
sound of this amps,but never belive them,After 2 days
of auditioning them, I realise in my system, they do.
The Krell are good amp,but I cant listen for too long.
Jayctoy is referring to my system.
I use Krell and they do mate very, very well with the Andra's. Only Jayctoy did not like my sound but everyone else did. That same group also deemed Jayctoy's set-up unlistenable. Heavy biases and to each other's preferences, I guess.
Remember, for what it's worth, Wes Philipps of Stereophile evaluated the Andra using, for one, a Krell amplifier. It was a rave review leading to the Andra being named Speaker of the Year.
I do not claim to be an expert but I'd weight the opinions of one expert- Wes Philipps of Stereophile- and another "expert" Jayctoy (who everyone in out little circle loves ;)
Mgottlieb, we share a few common things.
Check my system out.
Do you think it's time to upgrade my Andra's to the II's?
Tonet I am not referring to your system, I dont know you.
And, no plans to know you more.PEACE
I do respect Wes Philip, but our preferences in terms
of music and sound is differrent,He might have love
the sound of His Krell, I am happy for Him,I use
reviewer as a reference,I doesnt mean they like,Krell that
I should like Krell also,Again they are not for me,
for my taste they are too mechanical, they sound good,
yes but not musical,and they run like space heater,
even Audiobuff username told me the same thing, even here
at AGon, Tonet if you like your system, Enjoy it, dont
get offended, thats when you can prove, you respect
your own ablity to put up a system,I know someone
who bought Krell 400cx after less than a year is for
sale again, Maybe He realise its too mechanical, I respect
this man, He knows music not sound, Even audiobuff,The
bass of krell are not natural, they overhang,they did
overpower the Andra without musicality in my system,
This are the gear that are good, but no thanks,my ear
Thanks Mgottlieb, Audiobuff, and ajmorales, my Andra's are in the hands of Eggleston for the upgrade.
Looking forward to hearing it s rebirth!
BTW, this nice gentleman who had his Krell 400Cx did sell his 400Cx for a killer deal on expectedly better Edge amplifiers. (Even helped him pack his 400Cx!)
And he is on the market for new speakers and Andra II is in his short list.
Jayctoy, thank you for not placing my paraphrased, out of context comments in quotes. Althought I appreciate your respect of my abilities, I prefer to comment on my own.
At least there was enough decency left when Jayctoy left out the name of this gentleman:
"I know someone who bought Krell 400cx after less than a year is for sale again, Maybe He realise its too mechanical, "
But again, he would have preferred to comment on his own.
It was a placing a presumption on his reasons and not his real reasons.
Thanks for the excellent review. I am considering Kharma midi Grandes to mate with Atma-sphere MA-2.2's in a 23 X 13 room with high valuted ceilings and wonder whether you compared the Andras to the Kharmas? (I hope it's yes)
System: KV-50; ML ref 32 preamp; Dominus i/cs.
Tonet you are talking about decency, I dont remember you
having one, did you change already? I doubt it.Its
Paul statement to me, we are not even referring to your
system,we are talking about Krell in general,and you
being a lunatic psychopath,full of ego,You are not the
one who has the right to talk about decency,you dont
have integrity at all, You made all the excuses when
you and Toni blew my Harman Kardon amp,remember that?
So you will not pay me $500, you even use your wife
as excuse?Be a man,You also borrows equipment
for 3 months then claim you dont like it? Is that decent?
Ricardo instructed his worker that you pay whole
amount before you can borrow, thats a shame you know?
Is that decent?How about selling the Andra to Toni for
less price, then the next day, you want my Logan center
channel,begging me to buy it,You think I am stupid to
sell it to you, after all you treated me?Is this decent
Mr Andaleon?When I borrow you 80 pieces of cds, how long
before you return them? months?I found out later you do use them to promote, t your business, IS THIS DECENT?
mr ANDALEON? So I guess I have to stop here, the statement
above are more than enough to tell people,you dont have
decency,I will reserve some for now my fingers are
getting numb.Meet me Face me face. If you want ,dont be a
coward.We dont live too far.
Fo every line item above there is a powerful, truthful retort! But as adviced by people you know too, why stoop and bother?
My apologies for causing a a distraction on a beautiful review of a wonderful speaker.
Well after more than a month of wait and a few preparatory reps of squatts in the gym, I got them back in place.
You are very right Mgottlieb!
The Andra II is a totally different speaker and the most bang for the buck (I spent $3450.00 with shipping) I have spent in audio. You can easily blow that amount away in cables and tweaks and would not bring the impact the upgrade brings.
Ahh, the mid's are much more right and bass has definitely more authority!
I remember talking to Sarah Brightman backstage after her concert here in Chicago in February 2004. Playing her music reminds of that proximity. Goosebumps boys! Goosebumps!!!!
If you own the Andra, you owe it to yourself to explore this "ultimate tweak".
Thanks to Audio-buff for the invaluable help in positioning these speakers.
i have upgraded andras (1-2). they look a little ugly, and the build quality is not as good as the wilson's that sit down at the local shop. i have compared the andras to watt puppys, maxx's, grand slamms, theils, jm lab, sonus faber (extremas), b&w. haven't heard kharmas, or avalons (heard the ascents a long long time ago). conclusion- the andra's sound (MUCH) more like REAL MUSIC. they image well, but they are not as good as wilsons in that regard. SURE, i would rather have my egglestons "hot rodded" with a more handsome finish, better looking carpet spikes, nice burled walnut, whatever. maybe the cabinets could have thicker walls/even more bracing. but, just as they are, they sound absolutely wonderful, period exclamation point.
only my brother's sonus faber extremas are as good, and guess why (same tweeter/super duper cabinets). - my not so humble opinion(s).ps- it pains me to see andra's going for $6k used. also pass aleph amps going cheap too (they sound just as good as the halcro's i just heard the other day- and the halcros sound damn good).
Just saw the last comment. I agree with the favorable remarks as to sound, but I'm really puzzled as to the build quality conclusion. As far as I'm concerned, the rebuilt II's are almost impeccable as to finish (at least mine are), and the cabinets are as rigidly braced, and the speakers as heavy for their size, as anything out there. You like the look, or you don't, but they are, in my opinion, as well finished as the other speakers mentioned.
don't get mad, get glad...
i'm referring to slightly uneven seams where the granite
meets the mdf, esp. at the top of the speaker. we're talking
1/16 of an inch. i can be very picky, and "wilsongloss" has a deep metallic MIRROR finish, with beautiful custom-made carpet spikes in black or silver (or if you prefer, sonus fabers with huge perfectly finished slabs of real wood- not veneer). or go run your hands over a pair of b&w 800's wood-sanded silky smooth (altho' not exactly my preference sound-wise). the andra does after all cost $19k. perhaps, if i were them, i'd do a "signature" edition (but i'm a nobody who's never built more than a bowling-pin lamp). with ALL of that aside, does it sound out of this world? - YES (repeat 20 times)...
Eggleston did a very fine job refinishing mine.
Looked better than before! The polishing was impeccable!
More importantly it sounds much, much better than before!!!
Although I do get what Frenc_fries is saying. I also adore how those Sonus Faber, B&W's and Avalon's look. But I, again, also confirm I like the sound of the Andra II better.
Compared to the Wilson's and Verity's, I'd say the Andra's are as pretty.
i've e-mailed eggleston to see if they would either provide me with some BRASS carpet spikes (instead of unfinished steel) or at least give me the thread size/screw diameter
so i can ask "mapleshade audio" to make me some ($35/ea).
i think that would be a nice tweak, and complement the gold face-plate. each unto their own, but imho comparing the finish on an eggleston to a wilson is like comparing a cadillac to a bentley. otoh, a local audiophile i know has a pair of quads (63's) with the grills removed, wires all over the place, and a 30 yr.old thorens (no cd's). his system sounds 95% as good as the best i've ever heard.-
ps- anyone out there handy that can give me the hardware spec's?
Where do you live? I live north of Chicago.
I have and extra set. I sent my Eggleston for update without the spikes.
They sent me the speakers back with a new set.
hi, mr. tonet, i.e.,
hola, senor! i live in miami, fla.
your (original) spikes are aluminum, and are not as
sturdy as the new steel set on the andra-II.
i talked to j.thompson of eggleston today about getting brass spikes that would serve the same function as steel.
i made him abundantly aware of just how natural sounding the egg's sound (to me). the only thing that "bothers" me is when i listen to large ensembles, choruses,etc., it becomes more difficult to delineate individual voices/instruments.
is this the fault of the stereo, the room, or the recording?
i don't worry too much about this, though, and put on some chamber or jazz (fewer voices, easier to follow). but some reviewers make a very big deal over this- with a $35k digital front end, or alon grand exotica's, or whatever. in a house with the usual building materials, augmented by carpeting and some echo-busters, i consider myself luckier than most, and unwilling to spend a billion dollars to re-create the sound of the ny philharmonic in my living room. but it's a fun hobby, and there's nothing wrong with imagining it...
My original spikes are also steel and I was just going to give them to you but looks like Jim is taking care of you.