REGEN by UPTONE AUDIO


Some of you may not have heard about the Regen. IMHO/E this device punches way above its price. You will not be sorry checking this out and almost everyone, regardless of what DAC, should benefit.I have NO affiliation with Uptone Audio. Just an Audiophile passing on info.

HERE ARE MY INITIAL IMPRESSIONS OF THE REGEN.

First a little background. I turn off all unnecessary items in my Mac Mini. I have a MMK installed and use a JS-2 to power the Mac Mini and my e20 MK III .082 Clock exaSound DAC. I also used my Hynes Power Supply to power the Regen. I use HQ Player and all music files regardless of rate, PCM-DSD, are up-sampled to DSD 256 (quad DSD). My comments are with the TotalDAC USB Cable unless noted.

The Regen is VERY INTERESTING. Think of it as a HEPA Air Filter for Audio. All impurities are removed to 99.97% pure.

At times it is very obvious and at other times it is very subtle. You can hear an improvement right after its been turned on but you can hear it steadily improve the more time it has to run in. Obviously up to a point. So do not take how it sounds right out of the box as how it will ultimately sound.

Better imaging and sound-stage. Attack, transients and instrument tone are improved to the point that it is almost (spooky at times) lifelike with the best recordings. Subtleties can become more noticeable and tonally correct. Drumsticks striking each other actually sound like wood, real wood, like it was live in the room as an example. A clarinet has the air its supposed to have. You just do not know what some instruments should sound like on some recordings until the Regen is in place. Before the Regen you know something is not quiet right subconsciously when hearing the recording...but once the Regen makes it right...my head is a bobbing and my feet are a tapping...I feel the music, and that is what its all about. How the sound moves you, inside. But it first has to sound right.

So it helps all recordings but the better the recordings are the more you get out of it. It is not going to take a mediocre recording and make it stellar but it will allow you to better hear what is really on it. Though the best recordings are stellar.

Now that is with using my TotalDAC USB with it. And I suspect that there may be a better fit to use with the Regen. Then again...

When I tried a VERY generic throw away USB cable (really poor) with and without the Regen it was better with but not as good as using the TotalDAC USB cable just by its self. However can a decent quality USB cable with the Regen give the TotalDAC USB by its self a run for its money, Maybe, I can not say as of yet. If I find one or can borrow one I will let you know.

I was really looking foreword to see how the Regen would sound with the Corning USB vs the Regen with the TotalDAC USB.

But no real luck with my Corning USB Optical Cable. If it works at all (mostly 99% not) it is very short, a few seconds to 10 seconds at best. I will check into getting a replacement this week.

Again this is with only with a short amount of time listening so I will follow up after more time is spent.

However I can say at this point that the Regen is a freaking steal at its price vs performance ratio. But do not tell Alex and John that least they raise the price.

Audiophiles spend thousands of dollars on one piece of equipment to get the kind of improvements that the Regen gives.

As aways YMMV and this is MHO.

2013 Mac Mini i7 2.3GHz Quad-core-16GB RAM-128GB SSD-Boot Camped with W8 and Mountain Lion-J River MC-Pure Music-Audirvana Plus-Seagate HD>Thunderbolt>Mac Mini>USB 3>exaSound e20 MK III .082 clock>Merrill Audio Veritas Ncore NC1200 Mono Amps>B&W 802D>Cabling=High Fidelity CT1E interconnect with Cardas Clear balanced adapters - High Fidelity CT1E with custom CT1E Jumpers for bi-wire-Triode Wire Labs 10 Plus PC for Amps and Mac Mini>The Mac,HD,e20 are all on Synergistic Research Tranquility Base all supported by Stillpoints Ultra Mini-The B&W and Veritas are supported by Stillpoints Ultra SS.

Post #481
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f10-music-servers/uptone-audio-regen-22803/index20.html

Post #389
http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f10-music-servers/uptone-audio-regen-22803/index16.html#post417237

http://uptoneaudio.com/pages/j-swenson-tech-corner
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I'll preface this with an apology if wrong, but this seems rife with infomercial.
THEN APOLOGIZE PROFUSELY!! As I stated at the beginning I HAVE NO AFFILIATION OF ANY KIND WITH UPTONE AUDIO!!
NADA, ZIP, ZILCH. I receive/ed NO compensation of ANY KIND. I PAID FULL PRICE FOR ALL MY UPTONE AUDIO EQUIPMENT.

If you had bothered to take the time to look at the forums at Computer Audiophile and read ALL the POSITIVE IMPRESSIONS OF THE REGEN you would see I AM NOT ALONE.

Owners of entry level DAC's to top level DAC's (MSB, Lampizator, Totaldac, IE) have all had positive results.

As I said, I am VERY impressed by the performance vs price.
Mutec has an upcoming USB version of the MC-3+ Smart Clock, you can use it to convert to optical and implement electrical isolation between the source and the audio system. Sound quality really is unrivaled.
It would be nice if you would explain what it is that are touting.
Jperry, but I am not touting. Just go to the links and all is explained much better then I could ever.

However, the Regen regenerates the signal from your source(usually a PC) coming through your USB cable directly at the USB input of your DAC. It does several things to better the sound that will play from your DAC. Again read the many posts by John Swenson and Alex Crespi. Unfortunately it is spread over a few posts. John's are more technical, though he tries to keep it so most will understand.
Coli, that is great. But I am talking only $175.00. The Regen is not just re-clocking.
I ordered one should arrive in July.
I will be using it from a Bryston BDP-2 to a iFi power supply and purifier and then into my PS direct stream Dac
JPerry and Celtic66, just take a few minutes to read the threads at Computer Audiophile and you will see that Hifial is not touting anything. I started following the threads on this product as it was coming out and decided on a lark to order one of the last available from the first batch. I figured for $175 it was worth taking a chance. It was the best $175 I spent on my system and arguably you could spend more than ten times that much to get that kind of improvement. Hifial is not exaggerating the REGEN's benefits. It really brings another level of musicality to my system.
anything will make usb sound better. ANYTHING...
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Nail on the head.
Can someone explain the difference (if any), in layman's terms, between the following products:
1. Uptone Regen
2. Schiit Wyrd
3. iFi iPurifier
4. Audioquest Jitterbug

Thanks.
All are (cheap) attempts at trying to improve the USB interface.
1) impedance matching signal regenerator whose goal is high signal integrity, so the DAC USB receiver works less and dont create new noise of its own. It is a specialist USB hub. Clean power is just a necessary by product.

2)Another hub, but the goal here is to regenerater signal with a filter and clean power. Less ambitions than (1).

3) Power regenerator and filter. Separates the signal lines from power lines. Less ambitious than (2). A byproduct is that it can be used to power things like Squeezboxes too.

4) just a passive filter. Least ambitious, but cheap enuff to see if it couble be combined with 1 to 3 for good effect.
Different folks, different strokes. The proof is in the listening.

http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2015/06/t-h-e-show-newport-2015-antipodes-audio-adds-dac-spdif/
"I turn off all unnecessary items in my Mac Mini. I have a MMK installed and use a JS-2 to power the Mac Mini and my e20 MK III .082 Clock exaSound DAC. I also used my Hynes Power Supply to power the Regen. I use HQ Player and all music files regardless of rate, PCM-DSD, are up-sampled to DSD 256 (quad DSD). My comments are with the TotalDAC USB Cable unless noted."

It is EXACTLY this ridiculously complicated CRAP that has been the big TURNOFF to "computer based" music playback.
I am so looking forward to ditching mine, buying an Auralic Aries, sitting back and enjoying the music.
I have mine on order, will see whether it matters when it arrives in July. The basic premise is that USB power is crappy and that device manufacturers are all over the board for robustness in handling differences for cable and device impedance. The regen is supposed to clean up USB power, and present correct impedance to source and reciever so that they behave better. Needless to say the best equipment does pay attention to these variables so results are supposed to diminish if you have the best already.
Davide256 Well, yes and no if you have the best already. The following owners of the DAC's listed below have all said that they have heard a worthwhile improvement in sound quality using the Regen. Now that was with the "Green" Regen. All Regen's that are shipping starting on Monday will be the "Amber" Regen which is reported to be approximately 40% better. And NO they have NO plans to make a new and improved version after this. All "Green" Regen owners are eligible for an upgrade till July 10th.

As far as "upper" level DAC's the following are just some of the first to report;

1)Aesthetix Audio Romulus Signature
2)Devialet 250
3)Totaldac D1 tube
4)Antelope Zodiac Platinum
5)Luxman DA-06
6)Mytek Manhattan
7)Resolution Audio Cantata
8)Several Lampizator Big 7
9)Lampizator Golden Gate
10)MSB Analog + Analog Power + DSD Quad USB module
11)PS Audio DirectStream

ALL reported a worthwhile improvement in sound quality using the 'Green" Regen.

Some of the USB cables used with the above DAC's and the Regen are TotalDac D-1 , Light Harmonic 10G and Tellurium Q Black Diamond

Remember, the Regen is last into the DAC.

Now I am not saying EVERY DAC will benefit from the Regen. Just that do not assume a DAC will not until you have tried it.
Arrrrg,

As been reeatedly said…. the Regen is NOT about cleaning up USB power.

Its is about stopping the propogation of packet noise from the Dac's USB receiver. It does so by regenerating the USB signal with high signal integrity so as to not cause the PHY in the Dac's receiver from working too hard and hence creating its own noise.

To do so, impedance is well matched and the Power distribution network in the Regen is optimized. All this plus quality reclocking presents a high integrity signal to the Dac.
Arrrrghhh,

As been repeatedly said…. the Regen is NOT about cleaning up USB power.

Its is about stopping the propogation of packet noise from the Dac's USB receiver. It does so by regenerating the USB signal with high signal integrity so as to not cause the PHY in the Dac's receiver from working too hard and hence creating its own noise.

To do so, impedance is well matched and the Power distribution network in the Regen is optimized. All this plus quality reclocking presents a high integrity signal to the Dac.
Best explanations here:
http://uptoneaudio.com/pages/j-swenson-tech-corner
I am currently using a iFi power supply which separates the data from the power and a dual headed usb.

I'm also using a iFi usb purifier that is installed right before my Direct Stream Dac.

So, when I get my Regen, I'm going to plug the iFi purifier into the Regen that plugs into the Dac.

I'm not sure if this will be too many of the same type of things and will produce little if no improvement. But, I'm going to try it anyway.

Does anyone have any experience with using both the iFi products with the Regen?
First Impressions of Regen Amber

Alex and John, You SOBs! (LOL) How you du dat!!

As some have said there is more clarity, realism and definition of bass. But it is So MUCH MORE.

Clarity; For sure, but not with any sterility, harshness. There is transparency that must be heard to believe, because for $175.00 the level of transparency is, ridiculous, unheard of.

Realism; For sure again, but the Regen Green had it in spades so how could the Regen Amber be more realistic? I don't know, why are you asking me!! Go ask Alex or John! All I know is the Amber has more realism, so there, just except it and be happy, move on.

Definition of bass; Well hell ya!! The Regen Amber is all over this. Though not just the low bass but the mids down. But I believe there is more definition over the whole spectrum, from top to bottom. It is just that the "bass" area is more improved.

You can hear a difference as soon as you put the Regen Amber in but the opening up of the sound-stage and more is still yet to come. In my system it took about an hour for the sound-stage to open up and all the above to present itself.

If the Regen Amber is anything like the Regen Green than there should be some small gains to come with more hours on it, to a point.

But there is more. There is more body to the sound of each instrument. Instruments like drums, bass etc are very noticeable. But even instruments like the Clarinet, Xylophone, Tambourine, Piano etc have more body, yes, but are also more "fleshed out".

With the Regen Amber the instruments are more palpable. There is a presence.

So, in closing, Alex I have just this to say to you. Hi Ho, Hi Ho its off to work you go building Regen Ambers 24/7 till your finger tips bleed, and then some. LOL

And to John, keep giving, PLEASE.
Fantastic piece of audio gear! Should be nominated for Audio Component of The Year.
You will love what it does to the entire spectrum of your music.
So can you pair an Uptone Audio USB Regen between cable and DAC with an AQ Jitterbug between cable and laptop?
Jrodude, you could but until you try it hard to say if it would help or not.
You might be better off putting the AQ Jitterbug in an unused USB port next to the USB port that the USB cable running to the Regen comes from.

Right now, as far as I know, the combined use of the Jitterbug and Regen is still an unknown.
Just to put things in context a bit regarding DAC improvement with regeneration, I definitely found an improvement with the Empirical Audio Offramp between my MAC Mini and my PS Audio Direct Stream DAC. I wonder how the Regen compares to the Offramp.
I got this last week. I somehow came across it in a google search. Started reading all about the UpTone Regen. Was very Skeptical. Thought maybe it was just for cheap systems. I mean how can something so cheap improve far more expensive gear? But read a ridiculous amount of positive feedback on it. From people with gear ranging from cheap to absolutely amazing. And pretty much unanimously every single person loved it.

Still Skeptical but willing to open my mind and try it. I lucked out and got in right when he was sending more out. So got it in a couple days.

WOW, this thing is fantastic what it does to the sound! Every aspect of the sound improved.

You know how really late, late at night when you listen to your stereo and the ambient noise outside is really low, the electricity coming off the grid and in your house is absolutely perfect, and all the stars align just right, and your system sounds perfect and glorious and you’re so happy with it you don’t want to go to bed? Well this sounds just like that, ALL THE TIME.

I really am impressed and so delightfully surprised. The best $175 I ever spent. I’m also really surprised that this thing hasn’t gotten more attention here. It certainly deserves it. This isn’t some weird tweak. It really does open up the music more and give it so much more soul and realism and balance, so much more natural and real.

I feel it’s essential for any system running USB. You really need to try it. The guy will refund you if you didn’t like it. Really no reason not to try it.

I’d like to try hooking up an even better power supply now and see if that improves things even more.