Okay, so the way I see it is with the info here, I should first find a good brush to use in order to get into the groves good and scrub with a solution to clean and then rinse with distilled water, and then use something like Gruv-glide to treat it for a final lubricant? What would be a good inexpensive brush to use and what could I use to mix my own cleaner. All the commercial cleaners and brush systems are so overpriced eg.(Disc doctor is 35 for each brush, you need two, and 35 for a bottle of cleaner.105.00 is just a silly expensive order for something you can possibly get together at the local grocery store, and the vac machine seems to exotic and expensive. I think the gruv-glide is a decent price and seems to work well, but I think I need a good cleaning before treatment. Thanks for any help on this.