Record weights

Shun Mook is the best record weight it does cost to much also 3 lbs is to much for the bearing on many tables.

 It all depends on the table. Clearaudio makes a clamp for the especially for the Concept. They also have the Twister that would work well with the Concept.

 I own a Clearaudio Innovvation Wood and use the VPI record weight. But my guess is that it may be a bit heavy for the Concept.

10oz is plenty enough. i use DIY 'pancakes' from TVC-like material 10..12oz I cut on my dad's lathe.
3lb is overovertheoverkill.
why stress the label so it stresses the rest of surface? 

If you want to go lite, try a Starsound Platter Ground(200gm).  It's not so much a record weight as (in theory) a means to redirect spurious vibrational energy out of the LP.  I also have a Stillpoints LPI(around 1.5lbs) that works well.  I plan to compare the two across several tonearm and cartridge combos and post results. 

dgarretson wrote,

"If you want to go lite, try a Starsound Platter Ground(200gm). It's not so much a record weight as (in theory) a means to redirect spurious vibrational energy out of the LP. I also have a Stillpoints LPI(around 1.5lbs) that works well. I plan to compare the two across several tonearm and cartridge combos and post results."

That's kind of the same operating principle the Shun Mook record weight, which acts as a resonator in offloading vibrational energy, in a manner quite similar to how Shun Mook Mpingo discs work.

Knowing Shun Mook, the cost of the weight is probably anywhere from 2 to 3 thousand dollars!

 
stereo5
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11-09-2016 2:00pm
Knowing Shun Mook, the cost of the weight is probably anywhere from 2 to 3 thousand dollars!

Yeah, if you're lucky.

The Starsound Platter Ground is $200.

I have one one in use on my linn lp 12.I don't think i can ever go without it.In terms of cost it puts many cartridges to shame without it.I feel from my experience/opinion it is without a doubt a 200.00 steel compared to a high dollar mc cartridge.I have not tried it with a mega buck cartridge.It relaxes and opens up . Airy with no glare. Today i played an old lp and heard new stuff that had never before emerged.I had to run errands this am but had trouble leaving after a few tracks.WOW.Highly recommended.R.W.

Well the best is probably the Durand record weight which weighs 550g, but costs $3500US! I also like the Combak TU-812MX “Million” Maestro Analog Record Clamp which weighs 360g, but again not cheap ($3kUS). I own a few Stillpoints Ultra LPI’s which Roy Gregory raved about. The LPI weighs 680g & are a lot cheaper ($550).

I love the KAB record clamp, ~$35.  It uses a tight coupling to hold the LP down, not wieght, and it has a neat little bubble level built in.  Especially useful for suspended 'tables.  I have used it for about 6 years without any issues.  Cheap and cheerful, as they say.

I own and love the Durand -- seems like a good weight -- low enough that I can still use it on my spring suspended EAR turntable but high enough that it couples well -- it outperformed the Oyaide weight in my head to head comparison

melbguy, Why, pray tell us, is the Durand record weight "probably the best"?  I actually think it is not a well thought out product (for reasons outlined below), but I would never say it could not "sound good" (which can mean anything to anyone); I would say that almost anything you can make or buy would be as good, if weight is a determinant of the good.  Likewise to Shun Mook and MPingo. Puhleeze! 

Folkfreak, My beef with the Durand, right or wrong, is just the opposite of what you say (that it couples well).  Correctly if I am wrong, but does it not have an array of small ball-shaped spacers, mounted into the bottom surface at regular intervals around the circumference?  Seems to me these stand-offs elevate the weight off the label, thereby greatly reducing its capacity to "couple" to the LP and soak up spurious energy.

As to the OP's question, I would say that weight of 400 to 500g is all you need.  I use a SOTA record clamp and/or the record weight made for the Kenwood L07D.  They both work well enough.  I would not say that one is better or worse than the other.

but does it not have an array of small ball-shaped spacers, mounted into the bottom surface at regular intervals around the circumference? Seems to me these stand-offs elevate the weight off the label, thereby greatly reducing its capacity to "couple" to the LP and soak up spurious energy.

You are correct but these "spacers" are actually sapphire points that ensure the weight couples tightly and accurately -- are purely flat surface is actually anything but as you are probably aware, this way the design ensures that the damping effect happens through these three points -- I understand that the choice of materials and number and location of the "feet" was all assessed in the design.

In my experience over coupling tends to in fact deaden and drag down the sound -- this has been my experience with all of the clamps I’ve tried. It is for this reason for example that the teflon spindle sleeve on the Durand is in fact specced to be ever so slightly loose when the weight is used so that the primary route for energy release is via these sapphire feet and not via the spindle (although of course not so sloppy that the weight can move in use, hence the choice of sleeves with each weight). I actually further found that with this weight I got best results whe I removed a small spacer I had been using under the label (the EAR has a recessed label cut out) thus taking out another energy transfer route not managed via the weight

Any way I’d encourage you to give one a try and not let the price put you off, your dealer should be able to make an accommodation anyway -- I had mine on demo for a good while before taking the plunge

ps more on my experience with this weight is found here

Durand Record Weight thread

My current favorite is the Oyaide STB-MS, which allows you to vary mass from 200g to 440g in increments of 40g. I stay light at 200g on my Lenco, in part out of concern for its bearing, and in part because too much mass can damp dynamics on that turntable..

I also have the HRS Analog Disc, Clearaudio Twister, and Orsonic DS-200g, but the Oyaide sounds best on the Lenco.

When I had an Innovation Wood, I used the Clearaudio Statement weight, which was fantastic. If it wasn’t so heavy I’d have kept it. Like the Durand (judging from Folkfreak’s description), if makes contact only at three points on the record surface. The contacts are are tiny ball bearings of different sizes set into ceramic shafts that supposedly drain vibration into the interior of the weight. The body is layered Panzerholtz and metal (stainless steel, I think), and the spindle collar is also ceramic, the same material as the ’table’s ceramic bearing. Really well thought-out and well-engineered piece, IMO, and it sounded great. Pricey, though, at $1K.