Record cleaning vs Last Record Preservative

I recently purchased a record cleaning machine and am frustrated. Am using RRL super cleaner and regular fluid, and I am finding that my records are sounding noisier. What is going on here? Will the Last preservative fill in any little pits and scratches and reduce surface noise? Or will the needle eventually just clean the rest of the junk out of the groove with play? I am using new clean brushes and such. On used records, I have been cleaning three times and vacumning with the super cleaner, then repeating with 3 rinses with regular cleaner and vacumn.


If your records get noisier after cleaning, something is obviously wrong.

Is there increased static electricity? If so, a product as cheap and benign as Gruv Glide could really help out.

If not static, look at your cleaning regimen. Several folks over at the Vinyl Asylum positively swear by the combination of RRL fluid and DiscDoctor brushes. I have DiscDoctor brushes and fluid, no vacuum, and they work fantastically well. There is something about the specific nap and handle on those brushes, they really do work great.

Remember, the vacuum just speeds up the drying process, for convenience. Also make sure the vacuum nozzle isn't gunking up the equation.

Best of luck.
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This is a question for TWL...
i have a huge dark brown bottle of last presevative which
smells like a petroleum-dirivative. once upon a time, i put it on a few alblums (following directions as best as i could) and after playing ONE SIDE of the record i had to clean a black tarry clump from the stylus. fortunately, you can get the "last" stuff off by normal record cleaning (i use vpi's
which is probably just purified water with a drop or two of
a wetting agent added). i know a little about the theory that there's a layer of something-or-other on the surface of new records that the "last" may be removing, but i prefer to leave my stylus alone as much as possible, as i'm not the most coordinated person in the world. in my experience the normal one-shot record cleaning that i do on a nitty-gritty
works very well, but i manually scrub the vpi solution around in the direction of the grooves- first clockwise, then counterclockwise, with a nice brush which matches the width of the record playing surface. it definitely gets 95% of the dirt out- after that i learn to live with whatever noise is left- the music usually sounds really great anyway.
I have great result`s using record reseach fluid, keep in mind cleaning the main purpose is to rid the record of mold spores. I allow 10 rotations with record research fluid useing a last applicator, ONLY allow 2 rotations in the vacumeing step this process can introduce static back to the record if you allow to many rotations in this step.

Pops and clicks (static) result of a inbalance of + and - ions to get the record back to a nutral state I first use a zerostat gun, this is were I beleive the most help comes from IF USED PROPERLY the trigger must be pulled and released very slowly. The other step is a carbon fiber brush this to has a right and wrong way. I use a audioquest carbon fiber brush, with the record rotating put the brush in contact with the record. Here`s were some mess up you must touch a peice of equipment that is grounded doesn`t matter what peice as long as it`s grounded for this allow`s the - ions to pass through your body returning the record to nuteral state. Hope that help`s I know it seems like a pain in the butt but when you get rid of most of the click`s you will be repayed with a unbeatable sound. Also keep in mind you cannot restore a damaged record. David
I use RRL + DD brushes on a Loricraft. I've cleaned many 100's of records and have never once experienced a record getting noisier. Obviously this should never happen in any well designed cleaning regimen that's followed with discipline.

OTOH, before I got the Loricraft I was using a Shop Vac modded with self-stick felt on the nozzle. Even with RRL fluids, this setup sometimes left a record noisier than before. I discovered two reasons for this:

1. Despite its loud and powerful motor, the Shop Vac simply couldn't dry a record completely. It always left a trace of liquid in the grooves.

2. If I didn't keep the felts scrupulously clean and replace them frequently, dirt removed from one record was easily transferred to another.

Contrary to what Larkyparka said, a vacuum RCM is (or should be) about much more than convenience. The cleaning solution suspends or dissolves contaminants. If any portion of this dirty liquid is left on the record to evaporate, where do those contaminants go? Right back on the record of course. Typically they will have been spread around evenly in a low level layer that produces a background hiss or hush, rather than ticks and pops.

The incomplete vacuuming and cross-contamination of felt-covered vacuum wands is what finally led us to choose a Loricraft, which does not suffer from those problems. I'm not saying you have to buy an $1800 RCM, but if you're using a felt/wand style machine you'll have to be very particular to get consistently good results. Read 4yanx's description of how he uses his VPI. It's in the 'Record Playing Rituals' thread. I've played a few of his records and they're fairly quiet.
Red, As you stated "Last Preservative", it is used to lengthen the life of an LP. LAST isn't a Filler, & should only be used on a thoroughly clean LP. You might want to mention your entire cleaning equipment, & cleaning regiment.

The machine is a manual Nitty Gritty. I turn the records by hand. I replaced the felt pad at the vacumn suction slot, and I am using Last disposable brushes and a Nitty Gritty brush. I have cleaned about 50 LPs is all. Maybe time to start using Last disposable brushes and pitching every ten records or so. A new one every record would be a real expense drag. I have been scrubbing the records back and forth manually with the grooves, and then using the machine to vacumn each time. Three washes with the Super Cleaner formula and vacumn each time between washes, and then same three cycles for Regular RRL fluid. Usually spin the record 4 times or so on the vacumn.

I read the response from Davehrab and the link above. Interesting. I may try this new cleaner. Seems to make sense to me. Anyone else tried Vinyl Zyme Gold???

Over vaccuming or over drying can cause static to build up on the record surface. I never go over three rotations, and less if possible. I'm not really a fan of Nitty Gritty record cleaners, but I don't know that I would point my finger at it as the source of the problem.
Let me clarify my earlier post.

Doug Deacon was right to correct me, in that a vacuum is not merely "for convenience."

HOWEVER . . . .

The Disc Doctor instructions call for a post-cleaning dry using a clean, soft cotton sheet, then a rinse, then another dry with a different sheet, then a final air dry. Now that sounds like a big pain in the arse, but in truth once you get it all set up, getting through a bunch of records is quite easy--much like doing the dishes.

For those of us who can't yet spring for a good vacuum machine (and in truth I think that I will hold out for the Loricraft), it gets us very close.

And certainly shouldn't ADD noise to records.

All the best,
Before the Loricraft OR the Shop Vac I used microfiber cloths for drying. That worked pretty well, nearly as well as the Shop Vac in fact, actually better if the vacuum felts were overdue for changing.

Your, "much like drying the dishes" analogy rings true, too true! I used to drape my drying cloths over the pulled-out upper rack of the (empty) dishwasher. That gave them air to dry quickly, which microfiber does much better than cotton. Records went in a countertop dish rack, like everyone uses I suppose.