We have tons of exp with Blades we were one of the first displaying dealers.
Considering we have exp with most of the ops gear makes our opinions very valid.
Please stick to the topic Oddfi considering you dont own any of this gear makes you super qualified correct?
Best amps we have used with Blades
T A Chord
Krell,
Electro nemo
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ |
No oddfio we are stating we used to be Jl audio dealers because we are not listed on jl audio website.
What is your major malfunction? |
What is the buget for amps? |
Actually oddf not tough at all we had Jc1- on our Blades the $14k Elecrocompaniets were better so were the Chord mono blocks which were about $14k also
Jc 1 are good amps for their price and power not as good as $20k amps.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ Kef Blade, Parasound, Rega, former Jl dealers
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Newtoncr, the sound of the new Krell products is very organic, non sterile, big soundstage, good dynamics, tight but not overwelming bass.
Sounds like it might be a perfect fit for you, the sound is somewhat like the JC 1 meaning that the amplifiers are warm and full bodied sounding, but witout the veiling and lack of detail that the JC 1 have when compared to a much more expensive and newer designed amplifier.
Like we said before we has the JC 1 and they were very good but lets fact facts they are close to a 20 year design from a company known for producing value oriented gear.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ |
Gndrbob, the Ayre and Vandy pairing is a good one as Vandy’s tend to be on the warm side where the Kef Blades are a bit more neutral. The Ayre can work but it depends on system matching, Ayre’s equipment tends to be very neutral, clean and fast but we would not call Ayre’s gear more on the warmer side such as Pass Labs or Krell or other similar sounding gear. As per Oddfio we stopped selling JL audio because once the company changed managment we were cut off because we has a slow year with them and they want to move to larger more quantity oriented dealers. In our opinion JL makes an excellent woofer sonically but are being killed by the newer value companies such as SVS and others who are adding more comprehensive room corrrection and setup programs via apps which a lot of clients like. As per your last insult Oddfio we mentioned that Krell is redoing their website so that is why we are not listed yet on the website. For proof please check out the email we sent to Krell’s sales manger after living with the Krell K300i Walter liked our email so much he published it. http://web-extract.constantcontact.com/v1/social_annotation?permalink_uri=2FXckOb&image_url=http...Any more insults Oddfio? Theothergreg the Kef Ref 5 are awesome we have both the Kef Blades and the Ref 5 on display, we have the Electrcompaniet AW 400 great amps not as good as the other brands we mentioned. Dave and Troy Audio Doctor NJ |
Lets get the record straight, Oddfio is a weird dude that has never purchased anything from us or has even talked with us either in person or at shows he draws all of his weird ideas from these posts.
He makes ridiculous claims and questions our veracity, we mentioned in the Krell thread that before hearing the new Krell amplifiers we had 0 interest in their products and after hearing them produce the best sound at the Capitol Audio Fest for the least expensive reference electronics and after starting a thread to gauge other people’s opinion we got the line.
He also quipped that you only had to purchase three pieces to become a dealer, those three pieces were an investment of $26k at retail and we actually bought 4 pieces at $36k investment, I don’t know how many of you guys would shell out that kind of money to try a new line but we did, that is how impressive the new Krell stuff was and we also laid out our reasons of why the line made sense for our store, other dealers might have competiting product at those price points we did not, hence for a number of reasons we bought into Krell.
As per cautionary lamomwen was offended that we were not giving away for less than $12k a $38k pair of CJ Art 275 amplifiers that were used at a few shows and yes they do have a few dings, but work perfectly and have low tube hours and would come with a full warranty, we offered these to him at $12k which was $3k less than the lowest used pair on Audiogon, and he made an insulting commment that his garage amplifiers looked better and how we should steer clear of him.
At $12k we are losing nearly $8k over what we paid for these amplfiers and for this reason he made the above comment not understanding that we as dealers are not purchasing and repurchasing the same used amplifiers that many people can then sell for lower prices as they purchased a product allready used by someone else.
He never countered our offer and was insulted that we didn’t want to lose way more money on a store demo product which would come with a warranty.
What all of this shows is YOU GUYS need to be cautionary when judging ANYONE AND EVERYTHING on these forums.
Take what you read as a starting point always and also remember there are ton’s of fanboys that pump up these threads either pro or con a product that they love.
What makes our store a bit different then most of the stores here is our philosophy to actively seek out new and possibly better products.
We keep on trying new and exciting products when the emmerge and if they are better than what we are selling we move out one line and bring in the new.
People question our motives are we pimping or shilling or trolling.
Honestly most real buyers don’t care, if you are turned on to a new product and it sounds better or costs less and you agree, that the new brand X you are now looking at sounds better and perhaps costs less are you going to be upset or happy?
People need to chill out on the negativity here and bring back the fun and joy of playing with and discovering new products, tools and techniques that improve our experience with recreating music.
For the record in our store we have a combined audio experience of 30 years store experience coupled with a hobbiest/engineer/speaker builder who has been doing this for 45 years.
We have over 60 lines of gear on display, including major electronics loudspeakers, digital and cabling and we are always testing new products recent additions in the last 12 months:
Krell,
Peachtree Audio,
Critical Mass,
Audioquest power cables.
Naim NDX2,
Naim 282/300Dr
Nad Node 2i, C368, M10
Lumin T2
Audio Control Savoy Power amplifer
Epson 10500 laser projector
Dali Oberon line
Krell new R series line
Coda Point 8
Innuos Zenith MK III
This list is not to brag but to back up the point that we are in an ever changing and evolving marketplace.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ
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RS507 most of the people who are gripping about our "sales" tactics would never be our clients anyway.
You can take these forums for what they are an exchange of ideas and you are free to contact us or not to see for yourself if we can make recommendations that will better your system.
We are brining in the new Coda Point 8 after hearing of the improvements to Coda's amplifiers on this forum, we sold Coda years ago and loved their products but were not aware of how much better their amplifiers have gotten after making a change to a new output device and a couple of other changes and we didn't start that post TJ did.
We are also sure that our posts on the new Krell XD series of amplifiers have also helped draw attention to their new sound and new products which are really excellent, while some see sales pitch others see an informative post on a new product they didn't know about.
Brownsf flew me down to San Francisco and after two days of working on his system we had created a system which challenged really expensive systems and there are a few other storries of people who have visited our shop and came away with either product ideas or learned ways to improve their systems.
We recommend an approach which includes using system tunning accessories to bring out the sound you are looking for.
Maybe Rs507 you should give us a call and see for yourself.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ
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Waltersalas, we post on a lot of different products because we have a lot of experience with a lot of different brands we sell five different brands of servers for example most dealers sell one or two.
We are constantly sampling new products and not taking the company line that X product made by the company we allready sell is the best.
For example we have tested many different brands of power conditoners including: Shunyata, Synergistic, Audience, Running Springs, Isotek, Audio Magic, Ps Audio, Audioquest one intresting example was one $9k power conditioner that Mike Fremmer said was so good in Stereophile was tested vs the Audio Magic Oracle another $9k conditoner both were burned in, both had exactly the same components tested in them, went back in forth a couple of times, the Audio Magic Oracle was incredibily better, however, this companies new line of power cables was brought in and found to be very very good with many components.
And for the record Walter very few people who have read our posts have actually bought anything from us..
One example was we started a post on the Micromega M100 series of products because no one was paying attention to this remarkably good integrated, this was before there was even a single review on it.
Several people ended up purchasing the Micromega because of our posts, and loving it and posted their own threads on the user experience after they got one, we got nothing from it.
We talk about Innuous servers because they are extremely good, etc.
As we mentioned before we bring in more new equipment in a 6month period to a year then many very large stores who are much more brand conservative.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ |
One persons advertorials is another persons story and explanation of how and why something occured and testing experience.
Would you prefer brand x good brand y bad |
Lamlowen hardly we get a lot of calls and emails daily and there are two of us $12K is my lowest price and your interpretation of what constitues junk for a warrantied set of floor demo amps is very different than ours the amps looy look great in person and sound terrific if Troy offered you $11k for a $38k set of amps you should have taken it.
Nor are the amps 2 generations old the art amps were current up to 2 years ago when the Art 300 came out only difference is change in output tubes which can be easily changed if anyone cares.
Dave owner
Audio Doctor NJ |
Gwbeers maybe the moderators thought your post was off the target this is a post about amplifers remember.
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Cmgolf you fail to realize we have many fans aside from people like you who are not.
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Hate to be a party pooper but our store has a room filled with amplifiers from $1,000.00 - $15k in one room and and if you add in the matching preamps you may be talking up to $25k. yes these amplifiers do sound radically different.
In our reference room we have $10k amplifiers, $19k, $14k solid state amplifiers and tube amplifiers from $8k to $38k
There are families of sound certain amplifier companies are in the fast, transparent and perhaps a bit lean or just slightly warm: Spectral, Audionet, Ayre, Chord, Sim, Bryston, Solution, T+A, all tend to fall in this area
Then there are the warmer richer amps which may or may not accentuate the the bass with a more polite top end: Dagastino, new Krell XD, Parasound, Anthem STR, Pass Labs, Coda, Darthzeel, Thrax, Ypsilon.
then there are the very neutral punchy amplifiers Hegel, Nuprime, ARC, later CJ, VTL.
all of these are great amplifiers and will shine with the right components and system matching any brand not mentioned was not intentional.
There are definatly increase in openess, resolution, the size, width and depth of the soundstage when you reach the uber amplifiers they just increase the sense of precence over the lesser amplifiers.
When we were searching for reference electronics for our Polymer and Paradigm Persona and Kef Blades we tried: CJ, Devialet, Chord, Thrax, Electrcompaniet, Manly Labs, until we got the T+A gear which just made the speakers come alive in ways that the other amplifiers just didn’t.
As per the OP please try the new Krell solo 575 XD based on your original post of wanting a more organic sound you might really like them, the Ayre amplifiers are very fast and are cleaner then the Krell’s but they lack the sense of flowing warmth and body that the Krell amplifiers do so well, as a Blade dealer we have found amplifiers with a bit of warmth tend to work really well with the Blades which have a very uncolored midrange and tend to like things which add a bit of warmth to the speakers.
Also the Krell are more powerful and are a lot less expensive to boot.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ
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Rs507 we are sorry that you feel that way, and you are basing everything you know about us about what we write on audiogon, it is not the same to actually visit a place and talk to the owners in person.
Caphill we are also big Naim fans we don't have a 500 stack we have a 300 stack with Nac 282/high cap, and a NDX 2/XPS stack sounds pretty amazing, Personally we don't think the OP would have gone that way as Naim tends to work best as a system approach.
Newtoncr, congradulations on the new Ayre amps, we would love to know how in the demo you got the Krell 575 were bright sounding? They are just the opposite, we had our XD 300 off for a few days while redoing our rack and it sounded very flat and a bit harsh when it was just turned on, the next day back to smooth and silky so did you demo these at a dealer or at your home? Where the amplifiers the XD versions? and how long were they warmed up? At this point is it moot as you got the Ayre amps which will have their strengths in resolution over the Krells, but are way more expensive with less volume capability.
Also sorry to hear about your "dealer" that wouldn't lend you a set of amps, that seems particularly rude considering you have purchased from him before.
Good luck and let us know how the new amps work out.
Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ |
