u have it backwards buddy
speakers produce the sound... you work back from one you like
speakers produce the sound... you work back from one you like
I have only heard a Hegel H360 once and really liked everything about it, and was pining for the H590 before I settled for a used USA made power amplifier.
I don’t understand why (in this market) any highly resolving quality product that meets general requirements like impedance, sensitivity, etc. can’t be introduced into an equally excellent system of devices?
The very idea that to build a superior system, one must get rid of everything and start over with speakers first, just seems asinine and closed minded.
Do you mind sharing how you are presently using your H190?
perhaps DLNA? What is your source?
I also started with the amplification first. This was not by choice. I chose speakers that I wanted to try on spec, and then it took seven months for them to get built. In the meantime, I decided that I would shop for amps and then once I got the amps I realized that I could shop for a variety of speakers that would go with the amps. In many ways, the search for a good speaker turns out to be exactly the same, especially when you have such a capable amplifier as the Hegel. So the idea that something is backwards here is irrelevant. Good luck!
I have never had the opportunity to listen to your amp but based on reviews it seems that your Hegel leans to the analytical side rather than warmth. If you are interested in making a moderate change towards a warmer sound, I would recommend looking at a different amp altogether. Something from Pass Labs perhaps. You would lose some damping in the bass, but their amps still provide ample bass. If you are looking for a subtle speaker change in the direction of more warmth, I would recommend looking at the new Vandersteen 2Ce Signature III ($3,279). I wish you the best of luck in your journey. https://www.vandersteen.com/products/model-2ce-signature-iii
OP, I had the H160 many moons ago driving Dynaudio Emit 30s, good pairing, went for B&W 702 S2s and that was a better pairing. IMHO if you like metal dome tweeters stick with B&W 702s or try KEF R11s, if you desire a tweeter change get the Dynaudio Evoke 30s or stretch for the 50s, big improvements on the Emit series. Another reason to stick with Dynaudio, B&W and KEF is they are easier to sell because of brand recognition.
Jjss49-your reply is a joke. If you can read the op’s posts, he is asking the right questions.
He wants a warmer sound and he has a Hegel 190 amp. Pretty simple request.
Op, if you want a warmer sound, your going to need to move away from B&W speakers especially with your Hegel. I’ve owned a couple of Hegel integrated amps and they are pretty neutral sounding and B&W speakers pair better with warmer sounding amps like Classe or McIntosh.
Look at Revel, totem, usher, Kef reference series, and Wilson.
From what I understand KEF and Harbeth have recently been using Hegel amps to demo at shows so definitely worth looking at those brands.
I heard a Hegel amp running with a pair of Totem tribe towers at a show which was really impressive - the Totems are generally hard to drive but that Hegel amp had perfect grip and control over the speaker. Very impressive.
Thanks everyone. Your advice is really helpful and it will give me a good place to start my exploration. I live in a relatively small city and I do not have many options to audition equipment locally. So I want to put together a list of options and dealers so I can travel to a city where I can listen (it will be my first post virus trip).
@ rixthetrick I'm mostly streaming Qobuz , but I listening to CDs sometimes. I do not have vinyl.
Most of the time I stream using the Hegel H190 internal streamer and DAC, but sometimes I also use a Cambridge CNX V2 network streamer feeding the Hegel. When I stream lower quality services like Spotify or radio stations, I like the screen and convenience of the Cambridge, but overall I prefer the sound of the Hegel.
@keithc In your experience, do the Vandersteen 2Ce Signature III produce a good low end/bass? A friend had an old pair of Vandersteens and he added a woofer to complete his system.
I think the LSA 20 Statements would provide significant improvements in every aspect over your B&Ws yet retain a fairly similar overall sonic signature with more refinement. Bass goes down to 25Hz, which in itself should be a revelation. They’re being discounted here for $4500/pr by the manufacturer and include a nice pair of speaker cables in the deal, and they offer a 30-day trial period that is particular nice now. Best of luck in your search.
Picked up a pair of used Joseph Audio Pulsars last fall after many many years of changing nothing but evolving sources. Reignited the bug for more. Found an Atma-Sphere pre that is now a keeper. In process of auditioning amps, am listening to a Hegel H20 as I type this and enjoying it very much. Very engaging, dynamic with great soundstaging, speakers truly disappearing. No doubt the Atma-Sphere deserves some of the credit, but the Hegel and Pulsars seem to play rather well together. Think I gave $3.6Kish for them. Prior owner upgraded to the latest version. They don't seem to pop up often, but if you do catch wind of some being available they are certainly worth consideration. Believe they are $7k new?
aobscura, I own a Hegel H360 and an H390. I have auditioned many speakers in the last few years and I found an almost perfect marriage for both Hegel amplifiers with a little know speaker manufacturer from Finland that deliver exceptional performance at and well above their price range. The speakers I use as my reference are Amphion Argon 7L. I believe they list for $6k, but can be purchased new or used for very reasonable prices below what you are looking to spend. My room is also similar in size to yours. BTW Hegel often uses Amphion speakers to voice their amps. They are also very well regarded in the pro studio segment. I am not sure where you are located, but there is a very reputable dealer for both Hegel and Amphion on the east coast. Adirondack Audio. I have no affiliation with them but did purchase from the owner and he is one of the most reputable dealers I have dealt with in audio in the past ten years. Good luck.
I use a pair of Sonas Faber Concerto and REL with mine, it works fine for my needs.
If I upgraded speakers I would be looking for either a better SF of go to electrostatic speakers. However, going down that rabbit hole can get expensive. Mine is fed with Blue Node 2i , Apple TV digital inputs. For single artist recordings I love it, for group performances or classical recordings it’s more just a grin, you’ll need to spend some money to reproduce that.
@aobscura The key for me is home trial. Crutchfield has Dynaudio, Revel speakers among others. 60 days home trial, and $20 to ship speakers back. (Not a typo.) I just tried out the Martin Logan 60's from Crutchfield without a hitch. Full refund minus $20 for $3500 speakers weighing 80lbs each. They respond quickly, politely. I'm not a fanboy by nature, but when you get treated right, over and over, you learn to become one.