Sabai, I can't fault you there. The C1.1s are very special indeed. I will be auditioning the D1 soon. |
I know a dealer in US who carries both Magico and Raidho line. His take on the D1 vs Q1 is the D1 is a more refined speaker with better resolution and staging/imaging, and better rendition of timbre and microdynamics. The Q1 is a more balls to the wall kind of speaker that can pressurize a room to a greater extent than the D1. So if you want to rock out, the Q1 may be the speaker for you. If you listen more to jazz, classical, vocals, etc, the D1 has the advantage. But he said you still won't be disappointed with rock on D1 because it will rock when called for. |
Hey Sabai, I'm glad you like the Raidhos. I like the Raidho C1.1s a lot, but comparing TAD CR1s to the C1.1s in two completely different systems and drawing a conclusion or opinion is of limited value. I've auditioned both (not in the same system) and prefer the C1.1s, but I don't think CR1s are totally outclassed or on a whole different level. |
So you're saying the D1 knocks the Pulsars out of the nights sky? ;) I just had a brief audition of the D1s which were just taken out of the box. The only significant difference I hear is the increased bass slam of the D1s. They aren't broken in so I will have reaudition after couple hundred hours of break in. |
Hey this is subjective. If you can't handle that then you're in the wrong forum. And by tonally I meant timbral accuracy, not frequency response, which I find to be one of the worst objective measurement to assess speaker sound. But if freq response is your thing, have at it. I've heard both C1.1 and D1 in my dedicated audio room with the same electronics. Granted I have not heard the Magico in my room, I have auditioned them 5 separate times and each time I get the same impression, dynamic as hell, extended bass chest thumping bass and hard in the upper midrange. Clinical sounding is a good way to describe them. It's not my type of sound, but I know a lot of people prefer this.
Your last sentense is condescending and has douchebag written all over it. |
I have a strong music background having trained in classical guitar mostly and regularly attend live performances at very good halls for classical, jazz, big band music. The Raido D1 is the closest thing to the real thing I've heard as long as you don't play them at 105+ dB continuously and are willing to as sacrifice sub bass. The D1 play at a different level than C1.1. It is more dynamic, has greater purity in the midrange, better sound staging at high volume, subjective more extended bass, and is quieter between notes. Most importantly,it is the most tonally accurate speaker I've come across for vocals, stringed and wind instruments, and percussion within its volume limitation. It is only equalled by the finest electrostat and ribbon planar speakers (eg, Quad 57, CLS, Apogee). The Raidho tweeter is one of the most accurate no fatiguing tweeter available.
The Magico I've heard are better suited for rock and the like where bass thump and dynamics are the primary virtues. They are not tonally accurate as th Raidho. |
Freq response measured by a reviewer or by the manufacturer tells you little about how the speakers will measure in your room. So extrapolating some published freq response (measured in anechoic or quasi-anechoic condition) to someone's home environment is about as useful as putting bicycle tires on a Porche. Unless you do your listening on an anechoic chamber. FR measured in that manner doesn't take into account room modes, reflections, slap echoes, etc that we hear at home. And it tells you nothing about transient response, imaging, timbral correctness, etc. Why don't you consider these factors before posting a misguided response about "objective" lab measurement that has little to do with what we hear in the real word. |
Usermanual, you have a knack for coming to erroneously oversimplified conclusions to complex subjects, as you did with FR. Now you assume I have never heard the Magicos based on a sentence from this single thread. If you did your homework, you would see I have talked about them on multiple occasions. I first heard them at Goodwins in Waltham, MA. If you know anything about high end dealers, they probably one of the best dealers in the country with dedicated acoustically treated rooms costing up several hundred thousand dollars. They also carry Rockport, Avolon, Wilson, etc. Unlike most dealers, they have flagship speakers from each manufacturer. I've also heard them at a dealer in Austin and several times at RMAF. Each time Magicos did not sound like the thing. Just because its the first time you've heard them described as dynamic as hell with chest thumping bass doesn't mean it isn't so. I know other audiophiles who have described them similarly. They are certainly not adynamic and anemic in the bass. |
Jonathan Valin of The Absolute Sound |
Kiwi, sorry I forgot to respond to your post. I agree with you wholeheartedly. People who think they are objective and can distill the sound of a speaker based on anechoic FR measurement show there lack of understanding of how a speaker performs in our homes. The Raidho D series are special, aren't they? |
Usermanual, Actually they did back in 2001 to 2006, including the discontinued martin logan 4 tower statements. you really need to do your fact checking.
Who cares what JV says. If you buy equipment based on reviewers, you are in a sad state. He uses different electronics and cables than the rest of us. His hearing is no better than most of us. What matters is how the speakers sound to the end user, not what a reviewer says. So if Magico gets you off, go enjoy them if you can afford them. |
Usermanual, what is the extent of your experience with the D1? Have you actually auditioned it in your home? What electronics did you use with the D1? What is the dimension of your room? What room treatments do you have? Have you measured your room modes and decay times? Do you have dedicated audio room with dedicated AC lines? Since you make yourself out to be such and expert on the Magico and Raidho, tell us how, where, and with what electronics you evaluated these speakers. I will happily provide you with the above info for my system. |
Usermanual, based on your response I pretty sure you don't have a dedicated room that's been treated properly. And I doubt you can have the capacity to properly evaluate a speaker or any other audio component, subjectively or objectively. Have fun rocking out on your Cerwin-Vega ;) |
Ngchaisooon, Raidho's are better in almost every way, but the D1s are twice the cost of the Sasons. Raidho's have more refined and extended high frequency response, are more coherent and holographic, have better microdynamics and blacker background, and more accurate in reproducing timbre of instruments. The Sasans do have more extended and dynamic bass. The C1.1 are in between the Sasans and D1s. |
Stereotaipei, you have an amazing setup, better than 99.99% of the so called reviewers out there. I can only imagine the length and expense you've put in your setup. IMO, the room is the most important audio component. Get that right, and you can make mediocre speakers sound great. And a treated room does not have to be expensive. Often times a couple grand of room treatment will do wonders. A lot of audiophile spend more on their cables. And I am not surprised; a good 2-way monitor speaker is more coherent and give a better illusion of the performers being in your room than a big 3- or 4-way speaker. The Q1s are not my cup of tea, but that's not important. It's what you like in the end. My hats off to you. |
Jwm, in the past my taste in gear was polar opposite of JV's. But the Raidho's are different. |
