Hi, Thanks to all the 82 and counting who have read this unreadable thread. Let's not let the imperfect stop us from focusing on the substance of my post. That these Heat Pipes work in a way that is unexpected and usual. Please do a Bing or Google search. There are books on Amazon about Heat Pipes and there use. To 4est... I am just giving you my findings. The reasons for them working so well as passive heat transfer units is another story. I'm learning as I go. To Rlwainwright: Thank you for your critic of my post. I just hope most members will slog-Thu and get the point. Your thoughts on the subject matter are always welcomed. |
To Almarg: Nice spacing on your post. The conductive paste that you mentioned was on all the Heat Pipes that I have. It made no difference in sound in my system when I removed the paste with Denatured Alcohol. Another strange finding is that the Heat Pipes on Power amps sound better with the fins down on top of the transformer. But with all 4 digital players it works best with the base on top of the unit (conductive paste removed). |
Hi, Elizabeth. Your idea of people with there system in a built in cabinet makes alot of since. But all my gear is on open design racks (2). Both amp sit on (2) open amp stands. My all solid state gear get only moderately warm on the amps when cranked up. My point is you don't have to have Hot or Moderately Hot or very warm gear for the Heat Pipes to work. My dead cold preamp sounds better with the Heat Pipe on top of the power supply. Heat Pipes by design are super efficient at transferring heat. That includes even small amounts of heat off the surface of your equipment. Even gear that has heat-sinks and gear that does not. My purpose at posting my findings are to inform other about something out there that is already being used one way. But could be used another way to make your gear sound better. This could be put to the test by others. So Elizabeth: If there is to be any cheering going on. Let it be by those who are very doubtful of the Heat Pipes effectiveness, but try it anyway. If they reap the positive benefits of something they did not think would work , that would be worth cheering. I'm sure you would agree. |
Hi, Greg. I am of the belief that you don't have to have "optimum thermal transfer" for the passive Heat Pipes to work on top of audio gear. But on my power amps they actually work better with the base end with the conductive paste on top, with the fins touching the amp chassis. I'm no expert hear but my thought on this was that the Heat Pipes were working along with the heat-sinks to absorb the stray heat coming from the amps top chassis. Buy transferring the heat coming to the top of the amps. It aided in an already existing heat transfer system. BTW I had the Heat Pipes on my gear a week before I got the wild idea of trying them as some sort of sound optimizer. So if you made me chose the way the Heat Pipes work best. I would smile and say BOTH. |
Ha' Spring is in the air on Audiogon I see. The birds chirping, Flowers and trees blooming, bees buzzing. And let's not forget the annoying mosquitoes are in there larva stage ready to come out and try to mess up your good time. With nothing good on there mind. Just all about pestering all the time. No you can't shoo them away because they think your space is there space to. So the wise thing to do is to have the proper covering, nets and of course mosquito repellent. So you can avoid be distracted be this persistent nuisance. Just because it's like to rudely impose it self on whatever you are doing does not mean you have to give it the attention it craves, |
Hi, Metralla. I will find a web sight for you with a picture for you of the Heat Pipes that I am using. I am glad we are of like mind. Talk to to soon. |
I have made it a point not to focus on the sound improvement brought on buy using the Heat Pipes in my system. I wanted reasonable and unreasonable member to consider the concept of excessive heat, no matter how small being removed from your system. And having the over all sound improve because of the heat removal. But I understand even reasonable people can disagree on a concept. The real prove is in the putting it to the test. So I will ship 4 of the Heat Pipes that I use in my system to any member hear on Audiogon with 3 years as a member and no negatives or neutral feed backs. This is for the lower 48 states only. The shipping is FREE. I do have 3 conditions. First, you must use the Heat Pipes. Second, you then must post you finding hear, good, bad, or indifferent. Lastly is if you like what the Heat Pipes do in your system you pay to ship them back to me. If they do not work for you I will pay to have them shipped back to me hear in Georgia no questions asked. I like Audiogon a lot because even with it's sync, wise guys and gals, know it all types and just down right rude and smart ... members. There is an overwhelming culture of class that comes through when you share your finding with other members. Even when they don't agree or doubt your findings. I can't tell you how many time I have read disagreement with members hear and busted out laughing at the back and forth. And the same two are cutting it up together on another post. I hope this sight never loses it class. I don't mind sharing my findings hear and bouncing them off other members for there thoughts. |
Hi, Metralla. Let me just state what I have never owned. A digital camera, iPhone, ipad, Blackberry, mp3, X-BOX, WEE, Big screen TV, Home Theater system, sub woofer, never downloaded music off the Internet. I use prepaid phone cards only, never had a pay pal account or a Monthly cellphone bill. Never thought of joining My space, Face book, Twitter. I have never text ed a person. Don't like Lawyers, Bankers, and don't trust most Doctors. Run from people who love God to much or say there is no God. Out side of all that I'm just your average guy. And oh Ya' I'm not that great at spacing my post here on Audiogon (so I've been told). Now you say you want pictures. Google it, or reread this post again. |
Hi, Gs5556. Just when I was trying to get out ,you pulled me back in. Now because there is not audible effect when I turn my thermostat up or down that means that the Heat Pipes I have on my equipment does not work? Does a Thermostat work just like a Heat Pipe. I'm sure your answer is no. So why use two dissimilar items to show me how the one that I have doesn't work. Now I think I have not given the Heat Pipes there just do. There is technology involved in the design of the Heat Pipes that I have with the copper coils, that work with the "fundamental laws of science" as you stated. These Heat Pipes are not just a bar of copper or aluminum, which I have both and they do nothing close to what the Heat Pipes do. And yes the solid copper bars I have do feel cold, but they add nothing to my sound. The Heat Pipes do. |
Hi, Hifihvn. That why they make GAINT Heat Pipes. |
Hi, Noble100: That was a great post. I'm still laughing. And GS. Thanks for all your expertize on the matter. And MAGFAN, Thanks for the link. I have learned a lot, including the worst insult you can hurl at a person is to tell them the fundamental laws of physics are suspended. Who knew. |
Hi, I found a Heat Pipe that looks like the one I have. It is called a VORTEX 752. It looks almost like the 15 Heat Pipes I have, except there is no split in the middle. It is one whole piece. Thanks Timrhu for the kind words (I think). Almarg, thanks for the link. The 1 all copper Heat Pipe I have looks like the one you are showing, except the one I have has a thick copper base plate on the back of it. |
Hi, Almarg. The Heat Pipes I have are not the Vortex 752. It is the closest to the ones I have. Mine looks like the Vortex except it is one whole piece like the one you are showing. It also has a copper base plate. The two copper tubes are coming out the same way as the Heat Pipes I have. The Vortex, if it was one solid piece with a copper base plate and no split in the middle, it would be a perfect match. |
Hi, Paulsax. Trust me your safer being "off topic". You won't get slammed (as much) for having a opinion. And yes this is another one of my "Constant Intrusion". I would say sorry but " Sorry seams to be an answer for which there is no question". And if that does not make any damn since, remember. "If you can't convince them - confuse them". So never be afraid to share your thoughts even with those who say, "The sky is falling". BTW My Heat Pipes must be fully burned in now, because my system sounds even better than ever. Now you can do like some other posters, and put this is your "Load of crap file". I don't have a problem with that. But the bigger and most important point in the grand scheme of things is: THIS IS MY 14 POST AND STILL NO PARAGRAPH BREAKS!!! (what's the record). Heat Pipes rule. |
Hi, Lithojoe. Did I touch a nerve? My bad. My last post was for those who like to dish out strong critic's of other people finding and ideas. But who expect there words of wisdom to be taken as gospel. Some seem to have a sort of celebrity following hear with some members. I think I speak for the silent majority who would like to speak freely without a self appoint counsel of elder telling them to shut up, your out of place. Or say you are a GREAT Audio-Goner, but you over there your not. So Lithojoe when you say "Hail to the Audio-Goners" I include myself with that group (don't you). And more importantly I hope you have not fallen into that self absorbed mind-set of deciding who is a AUDIO-GONER and who is not. I agree with everyone who has posted that my Heat Pipe finding sounds CRAZY. I don't mind HIGH and INSIDE to use a baseball analogy. It's only when you are intentionally throwing at my head will I respond strongly. So telling me to go home and find some other toys to play with in my basement. I'll write that off as wild pitch that got away. I am truly grateful and appreciative for the insight and knowledge that almost all the members brought to this post. No matter how many times they posted. That's not my place(or anyone Else's) to tell or police a member how many times they can post especially if they are trying to contribute to the conversation. I am sure this post will fall on deft ears to the "Usual Suspects". But this is not for them. This will be my 15th (YES!!!) and final post on this subject of Heat Pipes (don't worry I'll pop up somewhere else as I see fit). And still no Paragraph breaks, Cheers. |
Hi, Hifihvn. Cleaver strategy at trying to put me in a box with a label. That makes it easier to dismiss all that I say. No Preacher here. Just a music lover, like you. |
Hi, Csontos.
I'm old enough to know not to get into a heated (pipe) discussion with a person who's nickname is "The Butcher". So for safety reason I'll just say your right about everything you mentioned in your post.
And I mean everything!!!
All the stuff you talked about, "Specific optimal operating temperature" and "Constant offset" and "Thermal boundaries" and "Design parameters".
I can not reconcile any of it.
And please remember Csontos, "I mean no disrespect".But I "Done Got Old" (that's actually a tune as well) with tying to explain (defend) something that I really understand how it works.
But I am old and wise enough to know that once known as "The Butcher, always The Butcher. |
Hi. all. It's been over a year since I first posted about using Heat Pipes on top of my equipment, and also in and around my listening room.
I am reporting what was true then is truer now. The Heat Pipes when placed on top of every type of unit be it a Preamp, Amp, CD, DVD, Processor or Dac makes it sound better. Just one Heat Pipe per unit except the Preamp/Dac that I use. It sounds best with 2 Heat Pipes (go figure).
I am using a couple of types of lager Heat Pipes as "Sound Pipes" all around my listen room. These larger Heat Pipes along with the standard Heat Pipes have greatly enhanced my listening pleasure over the past year.
So Happy 1 year Anniversary Heat Pipes, and many more to. come. |
Tab110s,
I just posted a few pictures of various Heat Pipes & Heat Sinks. You may view them at my Classe 5L Preamp AD posted here on Audiogon. So, the pictures are there and it did happen. |
I am sure with the record Heatwave we have been having this summer, many of you have wondered the same thing. "Just how cool are those Heat Pipes making my listening room".
Funny you should ask. Let's just say ice cubes never melt, and Brain freezes are the norm when you breath in to fast. My listening chair has been leavel 5 modded with a Fur (fake) lining. And tell me, who knew that icecycles made such great acoustic treatments?
But how are you keeping cool in all this heat. |
I knew that spelling looked funny. Icicles. And there you have it , another brain freeze caused by the Heat-Pipes. |
