"Power hungry" speakers


Hi folks, can you please explain to me why certain speakers so demanding with regard to amplifier power? I'm not talking about some notoriously-difficult-to-drive Apogees or some old Thiel models, but about speakers like the Sonus Faber Extrema's. These speakers do not belong to the realm of the less-than-1-Ohm-impedance-drop speakers, but need high powered amplifiers if you want to make them sing. Even 300 Watts wouldn't be enough! What is this for some ridiculous statement (or is this a fact?). What is the explanation for this phenomenon? I do not know much about physics, but I wonder what is happening with those Watts inside the speakers: will they be converted into warmth or something?
dazzdax

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JM Labs originated as a speaker manufacturer (JM= Jacques Mahul, the designer of said speakers). Allegedly, Focal acquired the speaker manufacturer who now operates as the finished (consumer) products division of Focal. So it wasn't quite a matter of fitting the drivers into a speaker enclosure -- at least, not in the beginning...
As a general rule, efficiency in drive units is a function of moving parts mass vs. magnet strength. High strength magnets are expensive.
Efficiency in the speaker system, as has been noted, is also a matter of how much energy is used by the filters (x-over, notches, zobels, etc, you name it).
Hence, average magnets with heavy filters, do not a dynamic speaker make! Ultimately, small level info is lost to our perception as Sean notes -- and the result can be pleasant, flat across the critical range, etc, and "laid back".

Re, Sonus Faber & others: don't forget that, while the x-overs may be capacitor-less, it doesn't mean they are simple (1st order, etc) all over (I don't know if they are...). Also, the drivers used, like the expensive Scanspeak woofs on some models, are not that sensitive to begin with... some are ref'd at 86-87db...
Actually, Sean, passive x-overs CAN be great:) Passive LINE-level x-overs yield excellent!
Goodbuy opamps (good thing, IMO), hello caps (not so good). Or, one could use coils (less losses than caps -- BUT who's got the patience & the workmanship to make them, to required specs...)

But that's still PRECEDING the amps; amps still driving voice-coils directly (an excellent thing IMO).

Overall, the story of our lives seems to be that good/v. good/ excellent amps drive less than stellar quality x-overs, rather than the speakers' drivers... Oh well
Eldatford -- few recordings are actually made at 0db, containing "optimum" dynamic range of the (digital) medium. Mostly thiongs are compressed and, as you note, processed. So, the actual sound level can go up & down -- accordingly, don't we often play with the volume control during the same symphony?
OTOH, I read s/where that classical can have a dynamic range of ~110db (at a large auditorium). That's staggering for our rooms & equipment, let alone actually recording such ranges. BUT, a Mahler cd I have goes from ~65db (spl) to ~85 at listening position (so count in room reflections as well) in the same movement!
Cheers