How do you know all the glue will come off???
Make sure you try it with your MFSL UHQR first.
Make sure you try it with your MFSL UHQR first.
Correct. I will only be using things that I am ok with wrecking permanently.
Results so far: there has been some initial success. The real trick is leaving a a little trail of glue off of the record so that when it dries you have a "tag" to pull up off of the record and release the dried glue sheet. It looks like it's really cleaning the records nicely. The surface noise is reduced dramatically. The main issue is making the edges of the glue very solid and even so that it peels off easily.
Any thoughts on this practice?
Didn't I just see a commercial product that works in a similar in fashion? I would stay away from wood glue, and I would advise you to leave the glue for 8-10 hours, to make sure that it was fully dry. You might want to leave some distilled water on the record after removing your glue disc to see [by touch or even taste] if there was any glue residue left behind. Also, if the glue doesn't come off easily, and in one big "glue LP", I wouldn't feel too good abut the process.
You might be onto something!
Yep, this is a method I advoacted a while back and since then it seems to have got around.
I treat all my LPs to this little trick and it works incredibly well, please note however and this seems to have got lost in translation I wash the LPs after the glue is removed, in distilled water/detergent, just warm using a very good quality 1 1/2 inch paint brush. I then rinse in warm distilled water with a very small amount of washaid to stop any drying marks.
I have tried pretty much everything else and this is the best in terms of the final result-period! IMHO
As yet I have had no disasters or problems and I have done well over a 100LPs to date, probably 150.
Even LPs that were well cleaned by other methods end up being way better after this treatment. I use Sellys Aquadhere (internal strenght).
I have done the glue method and used Elmers wood glue. Putting on a thick enough coating so the glue is very white. Then when it dries it WILL come off all in one sheet. The coolest part IMO is the glue ring after removal: it has a perfect inverse copy of all the grooves. You can feel them on the dried glue surface!
Yeah it works great.
It sounds like this is a method that some people actually use, and no one has any horror stories or negative experiences of any kind!
For those of you who have tried this, what is your method for getting the peel started? I've used a pin to get under the dried skin in the dead wax at the end, but I probably won't want to risk making scratches when I finally decide to try the glue method on a record I actually listen to.
Also, on what kind of surface do you set your records as they dry?
Sidssp -- As far as a sticky pad goes, I use a Nagoaka roller that employs the same principle as what you posted, but it doesn't do nearly the same kind of job that glue does. The glue actually creates a bond with the particles within the grooves, and easily pulls away from the smooth vinyl. It's really kind of amazing.
Without having tried this myself yet (but I will), it should be totally safe for a couple of reasons:
1. Elmer's style white glue is water-based and water-soluble. If some of the glue sticks and is left behind, you don't have to chisel it out; you can dissolve it. DON'T use the yellow carpenter's glue, which is made to withstand water.
2. It is not easy to glue vinyl to other things. It generally requires a specially formulated vinyl cement (as for the patch kits for vinyl inflatables), and white glue certainly ain't that!
Probably 95% of my LP collection was purchased used, much of it from thrift stores and some from eBay. Mostly I've been pretty lucky, but there are some that definitely need some sort of deep cleaning. If this is effective enough, it may compel me to pick up some thrift shop LPs I've passed on because they were visibly dirty.
I can just see myself getting a big-ass roll of wax paper and a gallon jug of Elmer's.
It sure sounds like an interesting idea and yes I heard of it before.But one thing that comes to mind is that if you read the instructions on ANY glue product and Elmer's ,it says"make sure that surfaces to be glued are gree of dust,oil,contaminants and are dry e.t.c" so how do we know that all the dirt is glued on the Elmer's and NOT left behind or portion of it?Just because the glue peels off in one round sheet doesn't necessarily mean it takes particles of dust with it.
Just a thought guys!
Interesting discussion. An NOS Empire cartridge I purchased on EBay had a brochure leaflet included which showed a product Empire marketed called "Disco Film", which was a gel that was applied to the record with a supplied brush. After drying, it was peeled off the record. Seems like a great product. Whatever happened to it? Lying in some warehouse next to the facial peels or the platform shoes?
Elmer's is water soluble, so alcohol might not particularly help. I presume you could thin the glue with water. The question then becomes, if you thin it too much, would it make it too thin and therefore difficult to peel off when it dries?
I'd rather try a detergent that has minimal residue...running warm water on the LP, then applying the detergent by putting it on my bare wet hand, and rubbing in circular movements onto both sides, wash your hands before you start if you want. Maybe a detergent that is non allergenic, because they would probably leave less residue. then rinse using the same technique with warm water and just the inside of your hand. The pressure of your hand should get the soap into the grooves. Just stick it on the dishrack. Maybe try a stabilizer wash, like used in photography, which eliminates streaking on negatives. Or learn to humm.
Thedre, I found I improved my effort significantly by using a couple of those big wood handled Discwasher brushes(1 wash, 1 rinse) and a low residue soap/detergent. I've used it on dirty used 'treasure' records w/o a problem. I used tepid filtered water out of my taps in the kitchen sink. Takes only seconds with the running water. Dry quickly with a fluffy cotton towel.I followed up with LAST cleaning & treatment.