Question on using Vinyl Studio

I have all my ripped CDs on an external HD and stream them to a DirectStream with BridgeII using JRiver and JRemote. Now I’ve started recording my LPs to digital files with a Tascam DA-3000 which puts the files on a CF card. The CF card then goes into a card reader attached to my computer from where I transfer the files to the HD using the same directory structure as the CDs. For instance if I already have 3 Cannonball Addererley CDs in the artist folder with his name on it, that is where I’ll put the newly digitized LPs. I append the names of the LPs with (DSD) or (24 – 96) depending on which format was used.   So it would look like this on my HD:

Shared Music

    Cannonball Adderley

          In The Land Of HiFi

          Somethin’ Else

          Somethin’ Else (DSD)

          Things Are Getting Better

          Know What I Mean? (DSD)

Now I’m ready to start using Vinyl Studio to split the tracks, name the tracks, maybe remove clicks & scratches. When first starting VS it prompts you to create a collection and asks where you want to store it. Should that be on the HD where JRiver looks to find my music files? And is this new “Collection” the location I should tell JRiver to find the new digital files?

The VS documentation has a drawing showing: VinylStudio – Collection: “My Albums.mcf” and says “Within a collection, VinylStudio stores your recordings as a list of albums. These are recorded a side at a time and these recordings are then split up into individual tracks. It is important to realize that VinylStudio is not an audio editor. That is to say, it does not directly edit your recordings or any audio files you might have imported. Instead, any changes you make within the program are stored (in My Albums.mcf) and then ‘overlayed’ onto the original audio when you save your tracks.”

Can anyone familiar with VS help me out with this? Maybe an explanation is all that’s needed and I can just let VS do it’s thing once I know where to locate “Collection – My Albums.mcf

Jeff, I tinkered with this a while back, but I dropped the project pretty quickly.  My question is, why record vinyl to digital exactly?  In order to get great sound from vinyl, one needs a great playback system (cartridge, arm, table, phonostage).  If that combo is just average or below, a digital recording will sound better. So, if you have a good analog front end, and then you record it as faithfully as you can, which is suspect, in the end you will no longer be using a fine analog front end, and will be using your digital rig instead.

i would have to guess, that in order to make this worth it, you would need a very fine analogue system, an extremely fine A/D converter, and finally a very good digital front end, not to mention vinyl in exceptional condition.

IMHO, I think one is better off with the analog system for the vinyl, and when you're feeling a bit digital, just play Tidal streaming at CD quality through a decent, or more than decent DAC.

i play my vinyl more than my digital, despite the fact that my digital collection is far bigger.  But I do get lazy now and again, or just in the mood to listen via the DAC.
Jeff - if you still are unsure, the Vinyl Studio folder can go anywhere you want to put it. It is not used by JRiver so should not be part of that folder structure. It is used only by VS. It is just the VS library, just like JRiver has a separate library.

You should put the output files from VS (the individual tracks) into your JRiver folder structure. But the VS folder and the original digitized files are independent of JRiver.
dtc, i've been using VS since your post to my question in the pc audio forum.  following your process and it works beautifully.  i've got the VS folder on my internal hard drive.  the output files from VS go into my JRiver folder on the external hard drive.  many thanks!
Great. I have been traveling and not checking in regularly and just saw this, so wanted to check. Glad it is working. Happy digitizing.
I'm so glad to spot this conversation here. I am a film maker and in my studio I have a sound devices USBPre 2 that I use for voice over recording on my corporate video work.

It is a great quality a/d converter with usb out so it should work well as a means to get the signal from my turn table to my mac. I am using a Linn lp12/itok.dynavector 20x ho to a fosgate signature phono preamp to the usbpre 2 to the mac as a signal path. Once I get  that setup my plan is to use Vinyl Studio to record Flac or Wav files and store them on a Synology DS1315+. It is a 20 TB array system and has a media server that will interface directly via usb out with a peachtree nova 220 se I recently purcgased as a means for playing back digital recordings of my albums. It is my first time trying to record and playback hi res files from vinyl and I am hoping it's worth the time and effort. It would be great to hear back from anyone with advice of how they made out with a similar setup. 

~ Frank
I have a similar but very different setup - A VPI Scout with a Benz Ebony TR to a Linn Linto to a Korg MR200s to Vinyl Studio on Windows. Playback is through JRiver to a Chord Hugo to a Cary SLP-05, Levinson 432 and Sonus Faber Cremona.

The result is everything I had hoped for. The resulting digital playback sounds very similar to the vinyl sound, which just means that the Korg and the Hugo are very good and very neutral.  I record at 24/192. We (my wife has the ears in the family) can definitely hear a difference between 16/44 and 24/96, with a much smaller difference going to 24/192. But, disk space is cheap and you only do this once, so I go with 24/192. When I am done, the tracks sound as clean as digital with the sound of vinyl.

A few suggestions on the process, although much of this may be obvious to you.

First, go slow and experiment with  1 or 2 albums you know well. Get the process down before doing a bunch. Figure out what sample rate works best for you. I have several early albums that I ended up going back to because I was too hasty at the beginning.

Learn to split the tracks cleanly. End a track right at the end and eliminate the intertrack gap so you do not have any of the hiss in your final tracks. (Control and left click to move the green line in VS).

Use the Album lookup feature, especially with discogs. It really saves time in getting track names and timings. There are some tips on using it with discogs n the General VS forum.

You can move all of the track breaks from a given point on all at one time, which helps when you have long lead ins or long track breaks. Can't remember the command but it is probably Control and left mouse button or something like that - maybe Alt rather than Control.

Experiment with the rumble, hum and hiss filters. Hum and rumble  are easy, but hiss takes a little more thought. Hiss removal does change the audio, but, depending on the album, it really can make a difference, especially on quiet passages. I always do this with headphones and you really can hear the difference. I usually use the gap between the first and second tracks and make sure it does not have any clicks in it. On some albums I use different hiss samples on side one and side two. You can adjust the level of correction if you are afraid of changing the music too much. or want more correction. You can also apply the hiss correction just to specific passages if you want. I usually do it for the whole album. You can see the effect of the rumble correction if you look at the Spectral View in Cleanup.

The click removal is very good, but if you want really clean recordings it can take some time. It always seems to miss a few if the album is not real clean.  I listen to the cleaned up tracks with headphones to be sure. Time consuming for albums you care about. After a while, you get a sense from looking at the waveform in Cleanup where the click removal may need help. For some I care less about, I just run the correction and let it be. If I hear something on playback I can always go back and fix it. If the album is very clean and you only want to fix a few places, you can run the correction on just those places and not the whole album. Be careful with the brass correction. II find it somethings misidentifies clicks. I usually do not use it. I do find that some clicks that it does not fix correctly that simply widening the click correction fixes the problem.

Figure out your file structure so that when you write out the final tracks they are exactly as you want them for playback. You can also add silence at the beginning or the end of a track when writing the file, if you want to.

Move you main VS directory to some place that is obvious to you, so you can back it up easily. You can write out an individual track in Split Track - Track if you want to fix just one track.

Back up your original files and your final tracks with an automatic backup routine. I use syncback and do it nightly.

Experiment with RCA and usb cables before you go to far. I did not find much difference, but it good to know early in the process, not later on.

I would run a mono album through the process. Then you can look at the waveform to see how closely he levels are matched. You can also normalize the album with each channel normalized separately. That will give you an idea of how closely the channels are matched and you can adjust accordingly. Even with a very good cartridge setup, there can be differences.

I find that for relatively clean albums that do not need a lot of manual intervention, I can do the VS process in 15 minutes. On some of my old rock frisbees, it can take several hours to get them really clean, with a lot of manual cleanup. That is the price I pay for being careless late at night in my youth.

Obviously, clean your albums first.

Not much help on the actual recording process, since I record to disk and then transfer to VS.

Good luck. I am very happy with the results I get.