Question For Those In The Know About Audio Research Power Amps


I've flirted with ARC gear over the years, owning an LS5 preamp some years ago but never trying their power amps.

I've always had the idea that ARC tube power was a little lean and sterile and not in the Conrad Johnson style of presentation, with tube bloominess and that glorious CJ midrange.

Of course, I realize not all ARC amps sound the same and that some are warmer and more tube-like than others.

Anyway, I recently purchased an ARC Reference 110 SE, and really like a lot about what it does. Stage depth and imaging are excellent, it's detailed and dynamic. As if to reinforce the negative stereotype, it is a little on the lean side, but not horribly so. It's a musical amp overall, and that's what counts.

Questions -
1 - this was sold to me as a "SE" model, which I understood to mean that it was modified to allow the use of KT150's, which my amp has. Was this an 'official' factory modification, and if so, is the SE designation something which can be used when I try to resell the amp? I can't seem to find others running KT150's referring to their amp as the 'SE'. Or is the SE designation relating to a different upgrade altogether? 

2 - is this 'SE' amp backwards compatible with any other tube types?

2 - what's the next model up from the Ref 110 that might exhibit a little more tube bloom (warmth) than the  Ref 110? I wouldn't want to lose the wonderful transparency and soundstage ability of this unit, but if it could be fleshed out a little more then that would be a plus. The amp is only a couple weeks old, to me, so I'm still trying cables and supports etc, to see if there's more to be had, but I would say at this stage that this is a pretty amazing amp.

Any insights would be appreciated!

Thanks
Rooze

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Origin Live Resolution MKIV with all factory upgrades
Origin Live Illustrious tonearm with hybrid silver upgrade
Zyx Ultimate 100Z
Allnic Audio H-1202 / iFi iPhono3 (both review samples)
Allnic Audio L-5000 DHT with V-Cap upgrade (Linestage)
Cambridge Audio 851C (used as transport)
Aurender N100H
Sim Audio Moon 380D Dac
Thor TPA-60w monoblocks with KT77's.
Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor M
Castle Harlech floorstanders (in use)
Dunlavy SC-III (haven't tried them yet with the ARC)
3 x Aerial SW-12 subs
2 x HSU VT-2/VT-3 subs
SRA Platform for Allnic L-5000DHT
Symposium Acoustics SuperPlus platform for turntable
ESP The Reference Power Cords
Various cables - Synergistic Research, Tara Labs, Harmonic Tech, Acoustic Zen etc. Preamp to power amp is a Audioquest KingCobra with an Acoustic Zen Matrix XLR on the way.
Various tweaks and room acoustic treatments.

@cleeds - thanks for the suggestion and for checking out the arc website. I couldn’t find anything there either.

@erik_squires - thanks for that link! I’ve been googling but didn’t come across that particular thread. [EDITED - It seems to be conclusive on other ARC amps getting the 'SE' sticker and the KT150 seal of approval, but not my Ref 110. ]
Since these threads live online for all eternity, I thought I’d post an update on the KT150/SE issue.
 I contacted ARC yesterday via their website and they responded very quickly and courteously. ARC say the stock Ref 110 can run KT150’s without the need for any modifications. I know this conflicts with at least one statement in this thread. [@docknow]So there is no official Ref 110 SE and apparently no need for one. Obviously my next move is to decide what to do about my interaction with this particular dealer, who upsold this unit over a stock Ref110 on the basis of mine being a modified SE version and thus a “better deal”.
They also stated that “the SE upgrade was done in-house”, further confirming their narrative that this unit was modified from stock.
For the record, this really is a great sounding unit, and, when I’ve optimized the cabling, will work very well in my system, should I choose to hang on to it. Frankly, it’s tainted my experience somewhat, knowing that I was misled, so I will have to see if that passes, or not.

I run a small review website at www.AudioResurgence.com and will post additional information on that website as I untangle my interaction with the local ARC dealer.

Thanks for all of the helpful input. I’m still interested in power amp recommendations from ARC, if you have them.

Rooze
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@fsonicsmith

Great posts/info, thanks.

I wrote a long update on the situation but the whole post was taken down by admin.
I’d forgotten we’re all children here and need to be protected from such profanity.
Does anyone know how to get a post reinstated so I can update on what’s transpired between dealer/ARC/myself?

Thanks everyone I’ve learned a lot from this thread.

Rooze