Quantum Science Audio Thread

MC knows what he's talking about, but if there is an arrow and THAT tid-bit goes over your head, what was he suppose to say.. Go ahead put it in backwards, rectify that George.. You've made your point, you and your buddies don't use them so MOVE ON.. But better yet STAY gone...

Your NOT welcome, along with anyone else that wants to join in on what THEY HAVEN'T DONE.  BUT see fit to call others NAMES just like what you just did with MC.. How many times do people have to complain about the georges of the world bent on saving poor lost ME from the mean ol FUSERS. It's NOT your business, but it is someone else's living..

Why don't you fix the water going down the crapper the WRONG direction first before taking on the biggies like who's buying those, THOSE bad old FUSES. Geeez mind your own business.

That is the purpose of a contact enhancer. To increase the surface area of contact with a material that’s more conductive than the parent material. The reduction of Nano Ark. (George hates this one.)
IT may also inhibit corrosion and act as a sealant around, not between surfaces.

Regards

Well it's pretty simple. Fuse sellers and or what ever else is sold it is NOT ok for George to slam a product. He doesn't even use aftermarket fuses. If he would say "clean, inspect, and replace old fuses with what the manufacture recommends", and STOP it would be fine.

BUT he goes on to call names and infer someone is being FORCED to purchase something that is somehow HIS business.. That's the real problem.. It's not his GD business. BUT he's costing other people MONEY.

Their prices were already WAY to high, you don't have to buy it. I DON'T

BUT to actively tell people NOT to BUY someone else's product..

GOOD BY George.. Enough is enough.. At least they were gouging and YOU or who EVER knew it.. He acts like it's HIS business to ruin other peoples business.. 

George you were asked nice. VERY nice as a mater of fact by the OP. Be a gentleman and move on. ONCE was enough a second or third is not OK. After that it’s beyond turning the other cheek. OR I suppose ALL your post can be removed.. It’s strictly your call..

You’re NOT welcome to add your adjectives or adverbs to ANYONE on the forums as you do.. It’s gone on long enough.. QUIT interfering with OTHER people’s sales. It’s as simple as that.

STOP! YOU’RE costing other people money, now I’m complaining about YOUR behavior, NOT what your selling..
Your behavior, it’s just not welcome.. By your own admission, you told a customer you installed an aftermarket fuse and you did NOT.. HOOEY George.. You’ve cost people money.. I think it’s time to send you the BILL, GEORGE.

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1. I’ve seen Slow Blow fuses/circuit breaker on the AC into to power supply (4. - 15. amp)

2. A Fast Blow on the bias circuit (.5 - 2. amp) of a valve amp for valve/circuit protection.

3. 2. - 4. amp Fast Blow on a + rail in a SS amp or the filament side of a valve amp.

Number 1 is fire protection. Period. That is the reason for the fuse on the AC line into the PS, it stop over current and fires. It’s normally a Slow Blow for filter cap charge. I don’t care what it’s plugged into it protect whatever it’s plugged into, NOT the other way around..

Number 2 and 3 are valve and circuit protection for the "piece" of gear, normally a fast blow and a lower value .5 - 3. amp fuse or so. THIS is to protect GEAR always after the units Power Supply..

A Cary V12r has 3 types of protection 1 for fire protection AC in. S.B.
1 for the tube filament transformer. F.B.
2 for left/right (bias) output valve protection. F.B.

They have protection inside the transformers too. I’ve taken a few apart, just most people don’t know how to fix a plate transformer or take it apart for that matter.. As long as you can work around the potting if it has it.. If it not potted it’s easy to look and fix if you know how to hunt up the short.. Sniff and visual test goes a long ways..

Regards

jasonborurne52, Just like with George, I offered to get a fuse SENT to him. I don't even know any of the guys that sell the silly things.

I know they will send YOU the fuse and if you put it in the way the arrow point, and THEN reverse it and can't hear the difference, SEND IT BACK. There is no monetary risk. You just have to listen.
HECK you don't even have to be honest about it.
BUT I have a feeling you will hear a difference, EVEN if you don't like what you hear or want to pay for it..

Someone gave me a few SRs to try. I paid him AFTER I tried them and kept 2 orange and 3 blues. I've never blown one and the improvement when installed in the valve protection circuit of a Cary V12R was pretty eye opening. That amp and the speakers I use won't hide anything, BUT they will SHOW everything, from copper vs silver vs clad to a silly fuse change.. A Power Cable, your just throwing AWAY HiFi for mid fi. It makes that much difference on that amp. You better use a great cable..

Even a standard busman fuse treated with contact enhancers, dampening added to the tube (a dab of silicone) and clean or replace the fuse holder will change the way it sounds much more than a simple fuse swap..

Stating what you WON'T try is obvious. BUT if you've tried them you can at least say, BS I tried them and they didn't work on X, and Y. But I think I herd a difference with Z or NOT.. They did return my money without a hassle.

Try it.. BUT the 6 year old antics of calling fellow Agoners delusional or one of your OTHER quotes about ignorance or a 10 cent fuses selling for a C note. That's 2 100.00 bills, not one. I'm not impressed. We got your point. It contributes ZERO to the forums, other than the obvious. You WON'T try them. OR God forbid, you can't hear well..

George NEVER EVER tried an after market fuse.. That's hardheaded, and sure doesn't contribute, to repeat it over and over.

Try it THEN complain..:-)

Time to feed the chickens..

The only place a fuse has an audible effect is if it is placed in series on one of the + or - conductors of speaker wire. It will increase resistance and decrease damping factor. A bad way to protect a speaker from excessive voltage!

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jasonbourne52,  This is exactly where I found out about fuses and their effect on speaker SQ. I am still a BIG fan of the old Infinity RS and IRS series speaker..

I'm going to add dampening through a passive XO is NO dampening AT ALL.  ADD a fuse or four (4) and they takes the brunt of that type of fuse arrangement.

None the less if you don't bypass the fuses circuit or keep it in VERY good condition along with all the LPads.. SQ is the first to suffer. The first time was QLS1s the second was RSIIbs in the 80s.

NOW add a 1 ohm load in the mix like the Kappa 9.0 or 8.0 series and you have a disaster because of a FUSE and ZERO dampening to boot because the drivers are NOT direct coupled to the bass amp.

George understands how an amp works VERY well and so do you, it seems. My question is why not try a fuse in the sound path and see if it makes a difference. 

IF you read some of the CRAP I post, you'll see I had much better luck using "The Fuse" in the path and  less of an effect in the PS AC path especially with amps LIKE, First Watt, Pass, Mcintosh, etc. BUT in a NP design with fuses on the other side of the AC PS, fancy fuses not only made a difference, in some cases it lead me to BYPASS the fuse circuit all together..

Carys V12R is an exception to the rule. I use a great AC power cable and a blue SR fuse (from an ACME gold) with great success. BUT I really didn't notice the BIG change until I change the fuses on the other side of the power supply. The V12 has THREE. The same way with the NP design had 2-4 depends on the design..

I'm not saying spend the big money, I'm saying that in quit a few situations IF the fuse is put in the path between good parts (Power supply to amp rail), WHY would you want to feed the amp module with the cheapest piece of lead/tin/aluminum/whatever you could find. Much like a  standard Busman fuse.

On either side of that fuse holder is GREAT copper, silver or silver clad wire. It's not a bottleneck at all, it's straight up a fuse with TONE control.. :-)

Mechanically I can explain my position, technically, I may lack the understanding of WHY, but I do know where to look for the greatest improvement in spite of the COST of a product..

Regards

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I bypassed the fuses and it worked just fine..

Regards

I had to go up from 4 to 6 with SR blues Slow Blows on the AC side.

The other side of the power supply, I kept the same values in SR Orange At about 25-30 hours I was playing CDs over and over and over.. That just doesn't happen.. I was leaving that tube amp on 20-30 hours at a time..

I would bypass every fuse in that V12r IF I didn't love the thing.. I'd hate to hurt that amp.. Great amp... A lot of expensive transformers in that puppy..

I think the reason why it sounds better. There is ZERO Nano arcing after it settles. There is a reason WHY they work.. And why they sound different one way than the other. The draw of the filament through the dyes, the taper and number of progressive wraps on a SB fuse.. It makes sense to me. You measure the resistance in the fuse one direction and it is less in the other direction. Same with cable.

I have 2 71.00 usd models on the way.. I need a geiger counter, just to make sure there is no funny business. Could be a plot to sterilize my rabbit.. :-)

Regards

Look it up are you that far behind, The number one reason for chip failure.

Electrical Engineer's Reference Book (sixteenth Edition), 2003

It also refers to the benefits of using the SAME tech in vacuum arc and other controlled arc methods of alloy joining, lighting etc.. 

It also covers nano enhancers, graphene being one that increases contact area and reducing nano or micro arcing in the voids..

catch up jasonbourne52, it's a big new world.. I don't just puff ad pass, I actually look for a reason why it does work, not why it doesn't.. Different way of looking at thing I suppose..

Regards

Yup OP it's up to you. We can only flag so many and the mods TRY to give george a little leeway. Of course he abuses it.. Just ask them to remove his post and WARN him.. He's off his rocker here lately..

How many time do people have to ASK the MODS to stop the guy..

I use ta kinda like him, now.. I got TWO reasons not to go to Australia, he's ONE.. The other is in Perth..

OP what’s with the stones?

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cerberus7941 posts08-16-2021 8:55pmA few months ago I purchased a used pair of speakers from another Agon member. To my surprise all the fuses were Orange fuses. I listened to them and then to satisfy my curiosity I replaced them with ordinary buss fuses and could not hear a difference. I did this test with a bunch of friends and neither I or them could hear a difference. Im not picking a side here as I don’t give a care what people spend their money on, just relating my experience.

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Being the noisy guy I am, I had to ask the question WHY would there be NO difference if you went to a busman fuse? WHY?

This occurred to me, the fuses you removed left a substantial amount of contact enhancer behind. You didn’t clean the surfaces did you?

The thing that’s not being addresses is that GOO on the end of the fuse need to settle for one thing. BUT it works quite well on any two mating surfaces passing current one to the other in a Cha Cha DIRECTION towards the source (50 or 60 cycle). You removed the fuse.. That is what you DON’T do. If you did remove the fuses and then swapped it back and forth, that’s not how the fuse works or ANY cabling for that matter.

To really test your ears, get your test tracks and install a stock fuse after cleaning the fuse pockets. Turn it on and let it play for a couple of hours but don’t listen (I wait at least 8 hours on a new fuse). THEN listen, for 10 minutes max. Have your orange fuse with fresh contact enhancer (GOO on the fuse) ready to install.

Install it in ONE speaker NOT both. Don’t play both speakers only one 2 minutes tops.

Listen, and swap directions on the fuse. Does one way sound better to you? IF not pull the fuses and use stockers.. You’ll be just fine.

If you hear a difference and like the change or don’t like the change DON’T keep swapping the fuse. Put the fuse in the direction that you liked and leave it. The contact enhancer can take up 100 hours to completely fill the voids and "Get Thin". If you look at that GOO under a 10000 x scope it’s pretty amazing how it lays a contact surface between the two mating surfaces and there are fewer and fewer voids as time goes on.

There is a reason that it works and a way to stop it from working, just by handling the fuse and removing the GOO.. I’ve never been a big fan of handling contact surfaces on anything. You’re touch is slightly acidic and can leave etched prints in a very short time on most metallic surfaces.

Regards

Thanks OP interesting..

Regards

George you’ve been ask very nice, by several people..

Quit posting the fuse information. They want to know about boutique fuses.

It’s just like asking a question about a Pass Lab amp, but giving information about an RCA transistor radio. They are two different things and they are NOT related to the topic... AT ALL. THAT is why you keep getting reported...

You cannot change the reason for YOUR post.. Stock fuses.

This is about anything BUT stock fuses.. Do you understand the difference?
Kind of like fighting to the death BUT the war is already OVER... 

Regards..

What are you going to do when multi vendors say GEORGE is costing US money and WE want him banned. Him or US.. We pay to sell here, he stops the sales.

Which is NONE of your business. not one flippin’ bit.. I say it all the time, what I buy is 100 times less than what others pay.. BUT never it’s not worth it to others, just not to me... YOU can’t seen to be able to tell the difference. Your advocating people are unable to make up their own mind.

You keep speaking about a different topic, stock fuses.. Apples Oranges

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Tammy says this removal is not by mods, it’s by multiple reports from members, and this is now being watched as to see who has the multiple memberships to get it removed so fast???

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You are right it is being watched by a whole bunch of people.. Don't worry about Tammy.. She will do her job just like she always has.. WELL..

Regards

55 + deletions at this point. 

Sick is being VERY nice about it..

You're being shown the door George..

AND were warned several times...

Going for 90 days? Going Going and ??????