quandary: inefficient speakers, low-power amp


Hola fellow Agonners,

Help me figure this out. I'm running a system that presents what I guess is pretty much a nightmare scenario for one or more of the components involved: Dynaudio 50 monitors, notoriously power hungry at something like 86db/4 ohm rating, Anthem Amp 1 EL34 based power amp (40 watts/8 ohms I believe), and a Creek passive pre. My sources are Sony DVD feeding a Muse 2+ Dac and Music Hall MMF-5 w/Dynavector 10x4MkII cart feeding a modified NYAL Super It phono pre. This system sounds damn good to my ears, but I'm afraid I'm putting undue stress on the amp, speakers or both. I frequently run the preamp wide open or close to it, and it gets loud but not always as loud as I'd like.

I've considered getting more efficient speakers and keeping the Anthem (truly amazing sound for the $$$ I paid here on the 'Gon, especially with NOS 12AX7 in place)...or looking for a more powerful amp and keeping the Dynaudios (another amazing bang-for-the-buck product)...or just putting in an active pre to see if that improves matters. I really love both the amp and the speakers, but am I crazy for trying to make this setup work? I don't want to fry anything, but this combination sounds so good that my impulse is to crank it up as loud as it will go.

I wanna keep tubes in the system, so I'm thinking, either go with an active pre and keep the Anthem, or get another hybrid amp (like the modified Moscode 300 I used to have, or the Anthem Amp 2) and keep the passive one. Or hell, add a tubed one. Thoughts, feedback?

Thanks,

Jeff
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Showing 1 response by clio09

I was using a 50 watt triode Cary V12i amp with a pair of Spendor 1/2e speakers that are 88db efficient. However, I was using an active preamp with 12db of gain. I did not have the volume control issues you had and 50 watts seemed to make the amp work a bit harder, but the sound was wonderful so I kept with it for a while.

However, I was still a bit curious as to what more power could do with my speakers, or less power could do with more efficient speakers. I tried the Cary in ultalinear mode (100 watts) but was not that impressed. So I decided to experiment some more and while I am very high on Cary products, I made the decision that if something had to go it would be the amp and not the speakers. While I heard many efficient speakers with excellent sound, I came to the comclusion that the Spendors are the constant in my system.

So I decided to try a 225 watt solid state amp with the same speakers. Well the difference was amazing. The amp seemed to be able to drive the speakers effortlessly and they sounded much more dynamic.

In your case solid state may not be an option, but there are higher powered tube amps (mainly push-pull configuration) and hybrids that should work nicely with your speakers and passive preamp. Also, the biamping option could be your answer as well, especially if you decide that you want to keep the Anthems. An active preamp will add more gain, which will probably solve the issue with the volume control to some extent, but not necessarily improve the sound significantly.