QUALITY AND SECURITY OF "LITTELFUSE" PRODUCTS


I find the tech specs of  LITTELFUSE very informative,enlightening and reassuring.
I am considering using them on my treasured reference level SPECTRAL electronics.
Anyone with experience using or EE level comments? Many thanks. Music lover and long time
audiophile, Peter.
ptss

Showing 9 responses by bdp24

Oh boy pehare, you have just stepped on a landmine! Roger doesn’t get much respect around these parts (ha, unintentional pun ;-).

At the risk of getting flamed by one particular fellow whose panties get quite wadded at the mention of Roger Modjeski’s name (apparently for not believing in the audible superiority of all audiophile boutique parts.), here’s what Roger found when he opened one of the eight Hi-Fi Tuning Fuses that were in one of his RM9 amplifiers returned to him for repair after the fuses had not done what a fuse is supposed to do when presented with a short: blow.

Roger discovered that the fuse was not designed for, capable of, or suitable for, use in a DC circuit---the very kind of circuit in which a tube operates. The customer’s RM9 had a tube fail, and the Littlefuse Roger installs in his amps would have done what a fuse is supposed to do when faced with a short in the DC circuit of a tube amp---blow. The Hi-Fi Tuning fuse did not, and the amplifier was then of course damaged. Not as a result of a fault in the design of the amp (unless you don’t want your tubes fused---Audio Research amps aren’t, ARC instead letting a resistor blow when a tube goes bad, thus requiring the resistor and any related parts to be replaced, rather than a fuse. At far higher cost, of course.), but because those fuses do not possess "high breaking capacity".

Surprised, Roger called first the U.S. distributor of the Hi-Fi Tuning Fuses, then the German designer/manufacturer. To his astonishment, neither knew what the term "high breaking capacity" means. That’s right---a fuse "designer" who knows less about fuses and their construction than an amplifier designer/manufacturer! The moral of this story is, if you are going to spend more on a fuse than a tube (if that doesn’t give you pause, spend on ;-), you might want to make sure the fuse is up to the task it is asked to perform in whatever application it is employed.

The pony I like is good engineering. It’s funny how the best engineers think alike about a lot of things, and respect each other’s work. For instance, Ralph Karsten (the atmasphere posting here, as most I’m sure already know), Mike Sanders, Tim de Paravicini, and, yes, Roger Modjeski ;-), to name but a few. As Ralph just pointed out in the thread on fuse directionality, knowing that a fuse in an AC circuit cannot, by definition, be directional is about as basic as electrical engineering gets, for gosh sakes.
Whether or not wire is directional is a separate matter from the directionality of fuses. Directionality of a fuse, in an AC circuit? AC, short for Alternating Current. That term is quite literal, and has explicate implications. We all agree Ralph knows what he’s talking about, right?

Sheesh! There are only two issues I myself addressed:

1- The claim of fuse directionality in an AC circuit is, as Ralph Karsten keeps saying, simply impossible. Of that there can be no dispute. None.

2- In the case of, yes Joe, one amplifier being damaged by the Hi-Fi Tuning Fuse being used in a DC application, the great electronics designer (there, I said it) Roger Modjeski of Music Reference received a returned-for-repair RM9 power amplifier. Upon inspection, Roger discovered that all eight HFTF that had been installed in the amp had failed to blow when presented with a short from a bad power tube---the very job they are intended to perform. Further, Roger, upon inspecting the fuses, found them to not be of high breaking capacity design, a necessity in the application in which they were employed. In conversing with the designer of the fuse and it’s American distributor, he learned that neither was aware of that term. Therefore, Roger warned the owners of his amplifiers (which have fused power tubes) against installing the Hi-Fi Tuning Fuse in his amps. That’s all. What’s the f’in problem, Joe? I had no idea letting people know about a potential risk in installing that particular fuse in a DC application would so upset you. I’ll never mention it again.

Roger does, however, approve of the Littlefuse brand of fuses, and infact installs them in his amps. They DO possess high breaking capacity, and were designed by an engineer who DOES know what the term means, and it’s significance, importance, and necessity in a fuse.

I said nothing about the sonic benefits of audiophile fuses, nor would I. That’s a separate discussion of which I have no interest in joining.

Good points Al. The only thing I would ad is that I myself am not comfortable installing fuses designed by someone unfamiliar with the concept of breaking capacity into my $5000 amplifier, and I am glad Roger brought the information about the Hi-Fi Tuning Fuses being inappropriate for my amp to my attention. I shared that information here for the benefit of anyone else who might have made the same mistake as Roger's customer, thinking I was doing a good thing. Joe apparently disagrees with me!
Now Geoff, could I ask you to explain how a fuse in an AC circuit can be directional? AC, you know, for Alternating Current. Ralph Karsten must have skipped that chapter in his electronics engineering books. Of course, perhaps they weren't "New Age" textbooks.
I have no idea Geoff, and I am not questioning the claims of those who say they hear a difference. What I am doing is asking in all seriousness (snarking aside) how it is a fuse can possibly be directional while operating in an AC circuit. It is my (admittedly limited) understanding of Alternating Current that to do so is simply, incontrovertibly impossible. So as Jeff Bridge’s character Bad Blake in Crazy Love implored of his manager, enlighten me (and Ralph Karsten, and anyone else curious about how the well-known, understood, accepted, and time-proven properties of Alternating Current can suddenly be suspended).
Thank you Roger! John Lennon: "Just give me some truth. All I want is some truth".