push pull or single ended


First post here and appreciate any replies.  While not new to high end audio, I've never had a tube amp.  Looking to purchase a new amp for my mid/tweeter cabinets in a bi-amped system.  Thinking about a tube amp as I've never had one and have read a lot about them, mostly all positive.  Never having heard a tube amp, I'm wondering if I'd be able to hear a difference between the push-pull type and the single ended type.  Not a huge budget as I'm on a fixed budget.  (63yrs. old and on disability for 20+yrs.)  Appears I could get more watts per dollar with a push-pull amp but don't need a whole lot of watts as this is for the top end of my system.  Also like to get a new SS amp for my bottom end but that's another subject.  Would I be able to hear a difference between the two types of amps?  Thanks for the input.  BTW, not really anywhere I can audition the two types.
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It is hard to offer any meaningful generalizations about the differences between pushpull and single-ended triode (SET) amps; there are many good and bad examples of both types.  I am personally a fan of lower-powered tube amps and I own both SET and pushpull tube amps. 

While SET amps are very simple and minimalist in design, this does NOT mean they can be made at lower cost than a roughly comparable pushpull amp because they demand specialized output transformers that tend to be expensive.  Because a SET output transformer must be conducting at full power through the primary windings at all time, the transformer must be pretty large even when the output is modest.  I have not heard low-priced examples of SET amps that perform satisfactorily.  Most of the better sounding triode tubes deliver quite low power when used in SET amps (e.g., 45, 2a3, 300b) so it is quite a challenge to match them with most speakers.  There are more powerful triode tubes, such as the 211, that can be used in SET amps, but, the much higher voltages involved make them considerably more expensive if they are to be made to operate safely and reliably.

I think both SET and pushpull amps can be made to sound very good.  Recognizing that this is a rough generalization, I tend to find pushpull amps to be more "punchy" (tighter, more powerful bass), but, that more punchy quality makes the sound just a touch more "mechanical" sounding and less natural and relaxed than the sound of SET amps.  That is NOT to say that either kind of amp is lacking in dynamics, that is certainly not the case.  At more modest listening levels, I find tube amps to be considerably MORE dynamic, lively, and engaging than solid state amps.  Of the two favorite amps that I own (both with output in the 6-8 watt range), I slightly prefer my pushpull 349 amp (custom-made rebuild of a Western Electric 133 amp) over my parallel SET Audio Note Kageki (twin 2a3 tubes per channel).

There is another kind of tube amp you should also consider.  This is an output transformerless tube amp.  These types of amps are capable of delivering astonishingly dynamic and vibrant sound, again, even when overall volume level is modest.  Like any other amp type, the specific design and voicing matters, so one does have to make personal choices on the specific model.


I think there is a lot of helpful advice in this tiny thread.  The Carver 275 is a pretty good amp at very decent price.  White the advice on a solid state alternative (First Watt F2) may not slake your curiosity over tube alternatives, it probably would deliver quite nice sound (I've heard the First Watt J2 and SIT amps and they are very good; I have not heard the F2).  As I've stated before, I like OTL amps and the Atmasphere amps mentioned are very stable and reliable versions of such amps.

You could look into vintage gear, but that takes a bit of help from knowledgeable friends or a good dealer for a novice to get into that game.  Old gear has to be inspected and perhaps repaired or reconditioned.  Once that is done such gear can be reliable for a very long time.

For newer gear, it would be helpful to know what is the price range you are shopping.  Also, if you are handy, you could save some money and get really good gear by building a kit.  I heard the Elekit tu-8600 single-ended 300b amp, and it is terrific and the instructions look pretty straightforward and even a novice should be able to tackle that build.  I noticed that Elekit also makes a single-ended amp kit utilizing the 6L6 tetrode tube (a personal favorite in type of tube) that looks interesting (I have not heard it).  For lower-powered pushpull pentode/tetrode tube amps, I tend to like 6L6, KT66, and EL84, and EL34 tube types the most.