JD don't worry, you will be fine. Instead of seeing that shrink I would eat a lot of New Zealand RHUBARB. It helps forming antibodies against electronic gubledeegook and as a rule lets you upgrade safely.
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Whether i agree with your point or not, this is basically a direct attack at both frequent contributors and viewpoints that more than a few people share. As such, it has NO place here. Try spending the same amount of time writing some helpful posts. Sean
PS... If you get "negative" votes on this one, it's not from me.
I know that I risk some neg votes on this, but I will not lurk on this one.
In my opinion, it’s one thing when passionate people get wrapped up in a discussion, without appropriate thought to their style before expressing themselves, leading to some perceived and some real personal attacks.
It’s quite another, when someone purposefully sets out, in a mean-spirited, pre-meditated way, to personally attack.
The later case is how I view this thread and find it very disappointing.
Discom – bebop- ulate
A sort of confusing post.
If you want to read something high quality about the psychology behind audiomania, read Markus Sauer in the Jan 2000 Stereophile, there is a part about why certain people get too wrapped up in technology, i.e., they may lack a secure sense of being loved as people and idealize equipment (things they can control) to make up for this void. I hope only a minority of audiophiles are motivated like this, perhaps all the crazy internet posters are among them.
I'm not sure I understand the purpose of the original post, but I find it interesting that some of you took offense at it. I do believe that we tend to hear what we want to hear. and if that is the meaning behind this post, then I agree. I also find it interesting that whenever someone challenges the validity of expensive cables, some people get all upset and accuse them of having bad hearing. I bet that those who are upset have invested a small fortune in these cables.
I think that well chosen, high quality electronics and speakers connected by inexpensive low inductance and capacitance cables will yield as pleasing a sound as those connected by the ultra expensive cables. I'm not saying it won't sound different, But it won't sound better. I just replaced $8000 worth of cables with less than a $100 worth and I am very happy. Yes it does sound different, but I can make a lot more of a difference by moving my speakers around a bit than I can with these cables. For that matter, I bet if I spent the same $8000 on a better set of speakers that integrated well with my room and electronics, there would be a tremendous payback compared to the cables.
Think about it for a minute. Can you seriously tell me that investing $8000 more in wires is going to make more of a difference than investing $8000 in a better set of speakers, or a better amplifier or other electronic component? Until your system gets the point that you have the finest components possible, it is my contention that you are wasting your money on expensive cables.
Wow, I'm very suprised at the feedback. Thank-you for the comments along with the votes, at least I understand your objections. As for the purpose of this post, I thought it would be worthwhile to laugh at ourselves and how serious we tend to get. I didn,t see it as an attack, but it is very clear from you all that I went to far. Sorry if I insulted you, I just thought we could have some fun. I forgot that humor is not allowed on Audiogon. I'll go back to my proper behavior, and again THANK-YOU FOR THE WRITTEN FEEDBACK.
jd: if this thread were an audition tape for your standup routine, i'd suggest you keep your day job. like a number of others, i'm dissappointed, too. but i'm willing to write off this feeble attempt at humor as an abberation and expect you'll continue your positive contributions of which you we know you are quite capable. i don't mean to hector but offer my views as one might suggest to his neighbor that he let his dog out a little later in the morning. -kelly
JD; You're right about humor. I hope it never becomes unacceptable on Audiogon, and I thought your thread hilarious up to the point where you specifically mentioned Audiogon member's User Names. At that point it unfortunately became somewhat personally insulting, and you've now picked up on that yourself. BTW, I have a tendency to be somewhat sarcastic myself, but I try to use sarcasm as humorously as possible. I didn't want to "lurk" on this one. Cheers. Craig.
Bruce, I think you may be misinterpreting things a bit. I think that the average amount of most Audiogon members' budget for cables is around 15%, some have cables worth about 30% of their total outlay, but they got it second hand at around the same 15% of budget. Given $8000 to buy with, I doubt many,if any AG members would spend it on cables, unless they already have their hearts desire in hardware. I bet most would upgrade their source, amp or speakers first, and then pick some highly regarded cables. My amp cost $2400,my interconnects $200, my power cord $130. I have tried $700 interconnects on this system, and guess what, they sounded great. I would love to buy them, but must wait until I can get a good deal on them, with $700 to use, I might put that towards something that gets me a little more bang for the buck (SACD, HDTV tuner). If you truly had $ 8000 in cables you should have a $50,000 system to go with them, otherwise you did exactly what you are accusing AG members of doing....overspending on cables, and it would be no wonder you wanted to get rid of them.
Bmpnyc, you stated "with $700 to use, I might put that towards something that gets me a little more bang for the buck", which is exactly my point. After getting some decent low priced cables, it is my contention that you can always "get a little more bang for the buck" by spending your money on better components until you've upgraded them to near the peak of what is currently the best. Then you can think about getting that last bit of performance by finding the cables that work best with your system and tastes.
By the way, I don't think I misinterpreted because your price analysis was right on the money (no pun intended). The $8000 I mentioned was retail, but like any smart shopper, I got them for a lot less right here on Audiogon. The percentages you mentioned were very close though. The cables came to about 20% of the retail value of the whole system. I stand by my belief that I can get more bang for my buck by buying speakers or an amp that retails for $8000 more than mine, than I could by putting the $8000 worth of cables back in. Besides, I have taxes to pay in a few weeks and the money I got for them will come in handy.
Bruce, Sorry if I wasn't clear enough, I actually agree with most of your points, but do not feel that AG members are being defensive, I find them to be very open minded, but they take exception when people try to invalidate their hard earned experience, (not necessarily including yourself). As for expensive cables not making as signficant a difference as some claim, I agree there is some hype and exagerration but let me relate this experience. I was given four power cords to try, and told by a friend to keep whichever one I liked, (as a return for a favor) Not knowing anything about the various brands or their price I proceeded to carefully test each one in my system. Most were good, but one of them brought such undeniable realism and life to the
music that no other choice came close. Usual cost of this power cord (Yamamura Quantum) $1500. I did not include this in my previous post because it was a gift and not purchased, I could live quite happilly with another one of my $130 power cords (Harmonic Technology Pro11 AC). So, even though I would not spend that much money on a power cord given the cost
of the rest of my system it sure did make quite a difference. If I had a higher end amp and preamp I would want to be sure I was getting the most out of my system as possible and be willing to spend time and a reasonable amount of money on the right cables for that system. But, if I only had $1500 to spend on an audio item, it would not be a cable, but probably a high end 5 channel amp. Good listening to you anyway with cheap or expensive cables.
Bmpnyc, you will get +'s for reasons hard to fathom out, such as you will get minus points without exactly knowing why. I also wish people would speak out either way. But mostly they don't seem to, with some notable exceptions however. I would not worry too much. I try to take it like the weather....
I think once you have components that will show the difference then go ahead and spend all you want on cable. The better cable will all ready be in place down the road when you want to upgrade the other stuff but you might as well get all you can out of what you have now. Bmpync, I evened the vote out for you.