PS Audio Ultimate outlet

i currently run my amps straight-in to the wall outlets - it gives the best sound - i don't tink i could afford the two ps-audio p1200's i'd prolly need to power-condition my amps w/o sucking the life outta them! ;~)

but, i'm nervous running 'em unprotected - has anyone had any experience w/the vans evers *unlimiter*? this is a four-outlet conditioner specifically for amps, said specifically *not* to limit the current awailable to yer amps, regardless of their draw. at a retail price of $675, it sounds like it mite almost be worthwhile...

http://www.vansevers.com/Conditioners/2_channel/Unlimiter/unlimiter.html

thanks, doug s.

craig, czech out my thread in tech-talk titled "pwr conditioner - vans evers unlimiter" for some more info...

stevemj,

ewe are ignoring the camp that believes there is *no* sonic difference whatsoever, if it can't be quantified. if ewe look closer, i tink yule find that a great many of those ewe put in yer 1st camp in fact reside in the second it's yust that they are willing to accept that a sonic difference *can* exist, even tho it can't be measured...

regards, doug s.

hey stevemj, it sounds more-n-more like yure one-o-dem that resides in the camp i mentioned that ewe ignored - ie: if it can't be measured then it doesn't exist. btw, craig ain't the only one who's pleased to know yure less-n-less innerested in accomplishing anything here, i'm sure... ;~)

regards, dug seed in

stevemj,

sorry, but what's all this *blather*?!? yust *listen*, man! sometimes the difference in sound between power conditioners, etc, is so obvious, it's a no-brainer, *anyone* could hear the difference. yes, even power conditioners, that aren't even in the signal path.

i yust recently removed a 20 amp 2400 watt voltage stabilizer/conditioner from my system to see if it was doing anything to the sound - i'd never run the current set-up w/o it. well, the sound improvement running my amps straight into the wall was huge - my wife came in & asked what did i do to make the stereo sound so good? i'm now gonna try the vans evers unlimiter - if it does *nothing* to the sound, isle be quite content! :>)

and, i've heard a system where the addition of a ps-audio p300 made a big improvement.

so, while i'm all for saving money, i don't make yudgments about things i've never tried. it's patently *obvious* yuve never tried these things ewe diss so much, perhaps cuz ewe can't see the logic behind how/why they work. why is it so obvious, ewe may ask? cuz if ya *did* try 'em, yude hear the difference! unless ya really *are* deaf...

regards, doug s.

a-gon:

why did you delete paul mcgowan's post from this thread? while it may be construed as adwertizing, it was also most useful info, from a mfr, admitting that there is a problem w/one of his products...

doug s.

stevemj, yure not serious, are ewe? it is also known that different types of distortion have different effects on the sound quality - some types of distortion are more benign than others. perhaps ewe should yust stick to radio-shack for yer wiring, & get their optimus electronics, which look yust fine on the spec-sheet. why bother w/spendy stuff - if it doesn't measure any better, then it surely can't sound any better...

doug s.

drubin, i hope yure not placing *me* in that category of close-minded audiophiles, cuz i fully agree w/yer definitions of open-mindedness. (but, yudging by the negative feedback i got from my prewious post, perhaps some folks *do* feel i'm a bit close-minded. oh well...). one of the reasons i like s'phile is, while they may have many faults, they do subjective reviewing w/extremely thorough measurements. i'm all *for* scientific inwestigation, it's yust that i won't dismiss out-of-hand something that has yet to be werified by measurements - isle use my ears & decide for myself.

however, regarding your assessment of stevemj, i must humbly beg to disagree. he seems to be close-minded to sonic improvements that cannot be scientifically werified. in fact, regarding coating cd's w/a green edge, he even disputes this when there *is* some scientific evidence supporting its efficacy! personally, i gave up coating my cd's edges w/green, as it made no difference to *my* ears. but i don't dispute those who say they hear a difference. who knows, mebbe isle give it another whirl today - it *is* st. paddy's day... ;~)

regards, doug s.

hey, drubin, no problem about me worrying about whether or not ewe were placing me in *that* category - i was asking it in more of a rhetorical fashion - i'm pretty secure in where i stand on the subjective vs objective issue - feet firmly planted in *both* camps! ;~)

regards, doug s.

i asked before, & ewe dint respond, so i will try again:

WHY DIDJA DELETE PAUL MCGOWAN'S POST REFERENCING PROBLEMS PS-AUDIO HAS BEEN HAVING W/THE ULTIMATE OUTLET???

this was useful info, who cares if he *is* the owner of the company - ackshully, it makes the info all the more useful!!! perhaps some of your power-conditioner-selling adwertisers complained???

dug seed in

hi no-money,

dunno if a-gon won't let me post - le'see if this gets deleted...;~) basically, paul admitted there were problems, & ewe should contact him if ya have one...