Preamps without built in DAC silly question


Forgive me for posing such a silly question oh great and knowledgable ones:

I am considering picking up an Audio Research REF 5 SE. However, i do not see any digital inputs where i could go straight from my media PC to the pre-amp. Therefore i will have to keep using my Wyred DAC and connect to the AR 5SE via my balanced interconnects then out to my Levinson 331 Amp. If the DAC unit is doing the conversion already, why would one still want a pre-amp in-between the source signal and amplifier? What exactly is the pre-amp doing if it is not needed for the digital to analog conversion. Will the preamp "improve" the already converted signal? I know i must be missing something very obvious here so please enlighten me. If my logic is correct (which i doubt), the pre-amp would not make any sonic difference. Hence to really change my sound, wouldn't i need to also change my DAC? I think i'd be going backwards if i were to let my media PC do the DAC duty and send signals via RCA to the AR Ref5se. Lastly, besides making more products to sell, why would a pre-amp not include a DAC unit? I'm guessing its to keep prices down or keep things simple in the pre-amp? I look fwd to your replies.
chenglo1

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Chenglo1,
suppose you connected your Wired4S DAC directly to your amplifier (I believe DACs are built with analog output stages that can drive a power amp w/o any electrical issues), how would you control the volume? You would need a preamp OR some sort of attenuator box.

In the bargain, it's possible that your preamp would change the sonics to your liking OR more to your liking.

So, the preamp can potentially have a huge effect on your overall sound.

Traditionally preamps do not have DACs built in because of the general line of thinking that a dedicated chassis for a particular function (pre, DAC, power, CD) can do a better job than putting 2 (or more) functions into 1 chassis. In particular to the DAC + preamp: the DAC is a digital circuit that uses a clock. Clock signals are generally square waves & square waves have a lot high energy (odd) harmonics of the fundamental frequency. These harmonics have the nasty habit of victimizing quieter analog circuits in the preamp. This creates distortion in the preamp output. Great care has to be taken to isolate the power supply to the DAC from the power supply to the preamp. Many other digital circuits also have to be isolated from the analog preamp circuits. To do a really good job by the manuf this increases the cost of the DAC + pre total package.
Down the road, if you like your DAC & want to upgrade the pre (or vice-versa) you are stuck - you have to sell the DAC + pre total package & look for another DAC + pre unit OR buy 2 separate units. Plus, your music system is down - no tunes!! :(

The DAC also influences the overall sonics - There are non-oversampling DACs & oversampling DACs & each has its own signature. There are a great many threads on Audiogon discussing this.....

If you end up in the camp that thinks no preamp is the way to go, you can search for a DAC with a volume control & run that directly into your power amp. There are several such units in the market such as the Benchmark DAC.