Preamp gain vs. poweramp sensitivity


Hello,

Just purchased an Art Audio Carissa which has input sens. of 600mV (very high). At first, I was thinking that I would want a high-gain pre because the Carissa puts out only 16W/ch and could benefit from some preamp gain.

However, I believe upon considering the sensitivity that a high-gain pre is NOT desired because:

1) I would need to open the VC only a bit before the Carissa was driven to full power.

2) For the above reason, the high-gain is wasted anyway because the pre wouldn't be able to put out what it's capable of without overdriving the Carissa.

Do I have this straight? The relation of gain to voltage is not clear to me. The preamp is specified as outputting 2V yet, with a standard 2V source, that is actually unity gain! So what exactly does "20db of gain" in a preamp mean?

Thanks for clarification on this question.

Paul
paulfolbrecht

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Gain and sensitivity are actually 2 ways of talking about the same thing. One can be calculated from the other.

Sensitivity tells you how much input voltage it takes to drive the amp to full power, 600 mV is actually on the low side as many amps take 1.5 (1500 mV) volts or so to drive them to full power.

Gain tells you how much a device multiplies the input voltage. It is expressed either as a ratio of output to input (Vout divided by Vin) or using a log scale of dB.

gain in dB = 20 log (Vout/Vin)

20dB of voltage gain is actually a factor of 10, not 100.

A preamp with 20dB of voltage gain will take a .2 V input signal and multiply it times 10 to make it 2 V if the volume is all the way up.

Your amp takes 600 mV to produce 16 watts.

It takes about 11.3V out of an amp to produce 16W into 8 ohms. (power = voltage squared divided by ohms)

Your amp has a gain of 11.3 divided by .6 = 18.8 or expressed in dB = 20 log 18.8 = 25.5dB

The confusion with the 2V output ratings is because sources and preamps are rated differently. The 2V from a source is the maximum level it can produce. The 2V spec from the preamp was with a specified input level with the volume all the way up and not the maximum that it can produce, which will usually be at least 10V and usually more.

If the source did hit a peak of 2 V and the volume was all the way up with a 20dB (times 10) preamp then it would try to put out 20V. Since your amp only needs .6V for full volume it would clip. For this reason most line level preamps are actually used with their volume controls less than maximum and are actually attenuating (reducing) the level of the signal. It's not as bad as it seems since the average output level of the source is much, mush less than the maximum it is capable of.
I agree with the responses about the passive. While your setup is certainly a great textbook match for a passive, some will still prefer an active stage. The good news is you can get a used passive and sell it at no loss if you don't like it. Personally, I've always like one with the right setup. There is usually a Placette or 2 for sale here and they retain their value very well. Give it a try.
250 watts per channel in to 8 Ohms with 26.6 db of gain.

26.6 dB..... 10 to the power of (26.6/20) = gain of 21.4

250W into 8 ohms takes 44.7V because ((44.7 squared)/8) = 250

44.7V divided by 21.4 = sensitivity of about 2.1V

.8V sensitivity and puts out 225 watts (tested at closer to 300) onto 8 ohms.

300 watts into ohms takes 49V

49V divided by .8V = gain of 61

20 log 61 = 35.7 dB
Clio, I think I did yours incorrectly. It may be capable of 300W, but if the rating is 225W with a .8V input, to get 300W would take an input voltage higher than .8V.

To get 225W into 8 ohms takes 42.4V

42.4 divided by .8 = a gain of 53

20 log 53 = 34.4 dB

So gain does make a sonic impact which is why buying a new preamp with more gain than you had before will sound different for sure and most likely better. 

That is simply incorrect. More gain from that component may have improved the sound in your system, or perhaps you are confusing louder with better, but there is absolutely no consistent correlation betweeen increased gain and better sound.