Power conditioner help


Hi All,

 Posting this here since there is no section devoted to power products. I also posted it in the miscellaneous section. 

If you had a choice between PS Audio P10 power plant and a Transparent Powerisolator Reference, which would you choose and why? Both available at reasonable prices, though P10 is still quite a bit more. I have a pretty high end system with a Musical Fidelity NuVista 800 integrated amp, NuVista CD (the new one), Scoutmaster turntable, SDS/ADS, Herron VTPH2, Wilson Sashas, and all Transparent Ref MM2 cables. System sounds great, but my present Powerbank 8 is quite old now, so I want to upgrade it.

Thanks for your opinions.
arsh

Showing 5 responses by jay23

I would recommend listening to as many options as possible, whether at a local dealer, or making use of an online retailer with a great return policy.

As you can see, there are many fans of the cleaning power of regenerating and balanced options. I've personally always found them to slow PRAT.

I would add conditioners like the Shunyata Denali, Synergistic Research PowerCell 12 UEF, and High Fidelity Cable to the list to audition.
Originally Posted by vicweast

I commented earlier (above) on this, but I am simply astonished at the comments that poo-poo buffering power regenerators. Not a single negative comment rings true in my personal experience over at least 10 years of use with numerous different regenerators and audio gear. In fact ...JUST THE OPPOSITE: Every positive quality of my audio gear is enhanced and whatever power-noise there was is ...gone gone gone.

I can only guess that those who did not get these results either oversubscribed their power regenerator or had other issues in their systems. I'd love to hear more specific information about what you used, and your audio stack. Otherwise, based on my experience and those I trust I have to say you are way off base. Please explain...

What a great attitude! 😄

I guess this deserves the same respect in reply. "Ignorance is bliss." "One man's trash is another man's treasure." 😁

You own the gear, you're happy with it, and you seem set in your opinion (and those you trust)...so why question it?
Wells Audio just come out with a reference power conditioner

http://www.wellsaudio.com/power-conditioners

I question any audio company that states, "The specially designed outlets have phosphor bronze contacts (the best sounding material for audio contacts)..."

Given they use a circuit developed by Jack Bybee, and their reference uses Bybees, I would recommend checking out the Bybee Stealth, over the Wells.
arsh,

If you're willing to at least buy something from The Cable Company, they have their "Cable Library" that has line conditioners you can try in your own system. https://thecableco.com/content.aspx?iid=5777

There should be no reason you can't demo conditioners, even in your own system, outside of lack of desire or slightly added shipping costs.
Originally Posted by vicweast

@jay23 What is behind my attitude is the disconnect between my experiences, the experiences of those I know and in contrast what a few posts here stated. Taken together they do not agree: Hence the question — what gear, what circumstances?

I asked that because I do think it possible to get different results, but clean power is clean power and an abundance of clean power to draw-down (buffered/stored) in a transformer during dynamic passages is power you did not otherwise have on tap through the wall. So, what were the circumstances? Unless the answer is just opinion or hand waving, it’s an answer to be mentally plotted in a space of appropriate/inappropriate uses for power regenerators.

To date, no negative experience I have read of rises above "opinion", I’m looking for more than just "good", "bad", made my music "sound green"... I can’t process those in a meaningful way because I have come to fear opinions as completely subjective.

[Subjective isn’t bad, it’s just "thin" unless it comes with an abundance of descriptors such that the reader can relate to the opinion as a substantial one rather than someone at the end of a keyboard just being ...social and saying "it’s bad for music listening" ...the question remains: why? ...After all, it is just clean and abundant power. These discussions sometimes remind me of politics, a nasty topic that is light on fact, ignores fact, or builds on fact: the three are quite different. Sorry for bringing it up, but it is just an example.]

Given the wealth of technical material I have read on the topic over several years, and given the experiences I pointed to: How is it possible that the addition of an appropriately-sized power regenerator can generate a negative music listening experience? (I am open to any answer that informs, rather than a brush-back answer.)

You're talking about adding another huge transformer, in addition to the at least one you have in your amps.

Instantaneous current delivery is important for music reproduction. Check out this video ( https://youtu.be/4qCK--lRFd0 ), from Caelin Gabriel of Shunyata Research. To put the onus back on you - since you can't measure the DTCD - have you at least measured the ASCC before and after your regenerator?