Power Chords better than TWL at the price?


Hi everyone

I am currently maximizing my system through speaker placements, room acoustics, vibration control, etc. before I consider upgrading any equipment. I have made huge progress with Clear Day speaker cables and Stillpoint Ultra SS footers - it sounds like a new system. So, the next move is to upgrade the power cords on my Oppo 105 and Exposure 2010s2 integrated. Currently, I have a Blue Heaven PC on the integrated and a Pangea AC14SE on the Oppo.

So, I've been looking at the Triode Wire Labs (7+ for the amp and 10+ for the Oppo). I haven't been able to find anything in their price range (400-600 ea for 2m) that has gotten such consistently high marks.

If you think there is something out there that is notably better, please let me know!

Thanks for your time,
Scott
smrex13
I have tried anti cable level 3 and am now looking to sell my other power cables. You must try them and you won't be sorry. I have them on entire system and they ARE system changing power cords. They do take a long time to break in but are well worth the wait!!!! bigdog58
I would not know if they're better but the new Coincident Extreme CST cords at 579.00 are worth looking into.They use the pure Ohm mono crystal copper[7 ga.].
I have a Triode Wire Labs 8+ and I think it's a very good addition to my Yamaha AS2000 integrated. Since you're "looking" at power cords, Triode has a 30 day policy, so you can try them in your system to learn if you like the sound of your speakers with them in place. I don't know if there are any "notably" better cords out there, but I've tried plenty of different brands up to about $1000 used.
I highly recommend the entry level cable (MKIII) from Waveform, previously Kaplan Cable, for your integrated. List is $529.

Makes each instrument sound lifelike.
I agree with Foster_9 about Triode Wire Labs... They are fantastic cables that compete with those at virtually any price. I have switched to them in most of my system ( and am still underway doing so for the rest of it). They "add blackness" ( which sounds like an oxymoron!) as well as a truly natural and likelike tone and texture. I'm currently using an "8" for my digital power conditioner ( an Uberbuss) and a "10" out of that into my Oppo BDP 105.... Once you have experienced a TWL in your system you won't take it out. BTW Pete's a GREAT guy to deal with as well. Truly a win-win. Enjoy.
The TWL power cords changed my system. previous cords used were Omega active, Siltech, JPS Labs, Kimber Palladdian and Tara.
The TWL cords in direct comparison offer a blacker background, natural tonality and harmonic structure.
sibilance with female close miked recordings are natural in presentation. No sizzle. Bass is deep and punchy.
The Plus versions have more transparency and a bit more open than the non plus versions however not a detriment.
I recco the non plus for digital and plus versions everywhere else.
All in all a very natural and linear presentation is had. No hot spots no over colored sound.
KABOOMSKI for the buck. 30 day in home demo give them a try.

brown
The TWL AC cords are the best I have come across. They bested cords that retailed for three times the money. The 7+ cords are not just good value, I can't find anything better.
The 30 day trial period is a big plus with TWL, because you just never know what will and what won't work with any given component. Too may instances where someone's dream cable for their amp doesn't sound good in another location, or in another system.

That being said, the TWL cables do indeed sound good in every location I've tried, which I cannot say for any other cable I've owned in the past.

Pete has a great product and does indeed provide value and excellent customer service at a very reasonable price.
Yes, TWL are the real deal. Great cords at real world prices.
I have them throughout my system. Recently purchased a TWL cord for my power conditioner. Real nice improvement all around.
I also own a pair of TWL speaker cables and hope to audition the interconnects in the near future.
Without a doubt the best power cords I have ever had in my system (regardless of the price.) Changed over my components one by one until now they are all powered through TWL cords. Every time it was well worth the time and the investment. Even made a noticable improvment on my VPI SDS unit, a divices whose sole purpose is to isolate the TT motor from the incoming AC. How a changing the power cord on a conditiuoner that does mothing but drive a turnatble motor can improve the sound of the system is beyond me, but it does. And it is not just me because I have done a blind test with several fello 'philes, not telling them what the change wqas and not only did they notice a change, but they all described the same changes. Best bang for the buck of any upgrade I ever made in my system.

Here is another hint. If you have a component without an IEC plug, AudioAdvisor selles an adapter that allows you the plug the three prong end of your captive power cord into the IEC end of the TWL cord. Even that made a noticiable difference.

With TWL's 30 day trial there;'s nothing to lose. You guys have to check this stuff out.
Try an MIT networked pc from the The Cable Company. You will be pleasantly surprised. No contest.
TWL cords are a "must audition" for anyone who cares about upgrading the sound of their system. Different model (gauge) cords for different applications make them user friendly. In my system, they made an improvement in each piece of equipment I tried them on. Better yet, they seem to "build upon each other", so using TWL cords for my complete system made a cumulative change for the better. Pete's TWL cords are very flexible with excellent build quality. Customer service is exceptional. When you look at (listen to) the price to performance ratio, they are an absolute NO BRAINER!

Next up for me is the speaker cables... soon I hope!

Woofman
Smrex13 I also tried the Anticables Level 3 pc with another integrated I own and as high as my hopes were for it, I eventually returned it. It is all about matching a complementary power cord to your amp (matching up). This is never an automatic. You have to try and maybe fail and try some more.
In Oct'2013, I changed all my power cords to TWL models 12+ and 8+. For 12+ power cords, I placed them on OPPO BDP-105 and Magnum Dynalab MD-108T tube FM tuner. While 8+ power cords on the integrated amps: 300B Triode SET amp and Solid State Class A amp.

Two months later in Dec'2013, I consolidated my two systems into one, and upgraded all my power cords to TWL 7+ on OPPO BDP-105, Jungson JA-99D Integrated SS amp, Magnum Dynalab MD-108T and Wyred 4 Sound DAC-2 DSDse. While keeping one 8+ power cord on my Energy Veritas VSX-10 subwoofer.

Note: my final system is solid state.

The sound improvement was one that is very musical, natural, complete harmonics with extensions yet neutral without adding any warmth or distortions. My first and immediate impression was how NATURAL the music is, and the texture. Compared to TWL 8+ power cord, their reference 7+ power cords reveals more bass extension and punch and better high frequency extensions without any treble energy usually associated with Solid State setup. Not that it musk the high frequency, but my OPPO BDP1-05 seems more listenable with less hint of electronics nature. Coming from my previous experience with other cables which either focus on certain bandwidth or adds warmth to the sound or amplify the full bandwidth to extract more inner details, creates a heighten sense of ultra fast dynamics and full extensions of frequency ends with an enlarged image..in my experience, this is suitable for a low power 300B SET amp setup which the source, amplifier and speakers near perfect...you'll hear everything: good or bad.

However, system matching is very important. A critical cable whether power cord or interconnects or speaker cables will mercilessly reveals the weakness of a system. TWL cables are revealing yet provides easy matching whether SET tube or Class A SS amps system. I had great success with their power cords, and upgraded to TWL speaker cables. The synergy improves, music is more musical and natural, easy on the ears. If you're happy with your system or before you sell away your gears to pursue the highend nirvana, try upgrading to TWL cables, I'm one of their many satisfied customers who bought their cables without breaking my wallet and yet still be happy to listen to my music. Especially so, if you have a Solid State system that proves to be tricky on finding the right cables. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that TWL cables makes poor music better. I could hear the electronic nature of my OPPO BDP-105 and DAC, but when I switched to my Magnum Dynalab FM tubed Tuner MD-108T, I could immediately hear why analog is better. It makes SS more tolerable and enjoyable. I'm so happy with their cables that I've just ordered TWL latest 'Spirit' interconnects!

Jimmy
Hi Jimmy,
I always find your comments worthwhile and informative. I take it you prefer the TWL to your prior Coincident Extreme cables(there are newer versions just released now)? How were the TWL cords with your former Frankenstein? I've read many good remarks about these cables. I happen to love my Ocellia cable loom with Coincident components.
Charles,
Power Chords
Hi Charles,

In my experience, the Coincident's Extreme cables are good with Coincident's gears. When I had the Esoteric X03SE powered by Extreme power cord, the glare did bother me a lot. And the other two sources were Magnum Dynalab tubed FM tuner and OPPO BDP-105. When driven by Dragons and CPRE, my Analog FM tuner sounded superb and never felt critical or in any ways lacking. What it came through to me, was that my complete system, felt more powerful than the 75wpc and the bass and lightning fast dynamics were super impressive. When I had the passive preamp driving the Franks which also powered by Coincident's Extreme power cords, the sound was very pure and the texture of strings instruments and bass drum layering was clear and infinite decay was beautiful. Replacing the passive preamp with Line Stage would be like adding wings to the mighty lion. Transparency and resolution became much clearer, i didn't have to listen as hard for the details, and without loosing the advantage of using passive preamp.

Things changed with solid state setup. I remembered reading from Coincident's website, that they don't recommend mix and match cables of various brands...so the importance here is: 'system matching'. Coincident's gears and cables have a good synergy and music was live and natural and detailed and fast and layered and soundscape was beautiful. I believe anyone who has listened to Coincident's gears at the audio show will agree to this. Makes sense with someone who is a avid vinyl enthusiast and having a large collection of vinyl records and playing with various tonearms and cartridges. Their gears are built around analog setup. More so, if he has the top of line line stage and franks and CPRE in his system. It would be my last system if I'm an analog person. But if someone having a midfi or not a pure hardcore audiophile who plays movies and digital music, with solid state setup, careful cables matching is required. Before i got into tube gears, i always find myself dissatisfied with solid state amp because of the treble glare and fatigue over a long listening period. But technology has come a long way, i find myself enjoying the affordable Chinese made solid state class A non-negative feedback integrated amplifier and the TWL cables really helps to make it happen in such a way that it sounds like tube amp without glare. If analog gears is used, does comes through very impressively (maybe not in the same league as Franks / CPRE, but enjoyable and satisfying and sufficient for me).

Sure, I've heard better sound than my current setup. Like when I delivered my Dragons to a local buyer here in Canada, he was a vinyl person with lots and lots and lots of vinly albums. He has one original pressed in the 60s, CD formar, SACD, SHM-CD and a re-issued LP. He played it all for me, the CD/SACD/SHM on his Esoteric player, impressive as it moves to the higher resolution format. Still it won't be the re-issued LP and the most formidable, original pressed LP with the popping sound during playback...it was the "fat" or body or harmonics that makes music, MUSIC! Best part is, his turntable was a Thoren used $350 and $600 cartridge and he used a 35 year old Audio Research active preamp with phono stage built in, and the speakers were Coincident's Super Eclipse MK3 which i got it from him as trades. Best music is still analog.

So, it really comes down to type of music, budget and more importantly, system matching. I'm sure TWL will sound as good on the Franks, also their cables are cheaper than Coincident's Extreme.

Jimmy
Hello Jimmy,
I appreciate your clear and detailed answer.As an aside I've never been a fan of the Esoteric digital sound, particularly if compared to a good analog set up. The Yamamoto YDA-1, LampizatOr(latest versions) and Concert Fidelity DACs are 3 examples of very organic and quite natural sound that competes with "very good" turntables.Esoteric's sound is more ultra hifi than it is natural/ organic (well to me anyway). I have Coincident power cords along with Ocellia IC and speaker cables. This combination sounds beautiful.
Thanks as always.
Charles,
Hi Charles,

Glad that you have the right match of cables for your system. I've heard great things about Lampizator DAC, high resolution DSD playback on these well made DAC do sound very analog and organic. :=)

Jimmy
The male plug on the TWL power cords has the strongest fit to the AC outlet I've seen out of the many cords I've used and I'm sure plays a role in their performance. I have owned and tried over 20 different manufactured cables.
"The male plug on the TWL power cords has the strongest fit to the AC outlet I've seen out of the many cords I've used and I'm sure plays a role in their performance."

-- aren't these just entry level Furutech FI-11s?
I own two TWL cords. They are very good. I found that they add a slightly lush sound, which can be a nice thing with some solid state components. At a similar price point, the only other cable I really like as well or better, depending on the application, is the Mojo Audio Enigma, which delivers better bass and extension, but is not euphonic at all. Ben at Mojo Audio has increased his prices of late (although he is also upgrading and revising, which he says explains the upward drift in his pricing.). I have tried numerous other cords and at the "budget" (ha ha) level, TWL and Mojo are both were demoing. Audio Art cables are also worth a try, although I find them to be even more euphonic than TWL cords and a bit bass shy in comparison. I have an early Kaplan cord and like other power cords better.
"The male plug on the TWL power cords has the strongest fit to the AC outlet I've seen out of the many cords I've used and I'm sure plays a role in their performance."

-- aren't these just entry level Furutech FI-11s? 06-04-14: Loftarasa

I have no idea if they're Furutech. I did not pay much attention to the connectors, but I own cords with Furutech terminations (Flavor 4 and Airsines) and none of them have ever had the tight grip that the TWL plug has.

After looking at the website it looks like it is one of the Furutechs. I read somewhere that this is the plug that sounds best with this cable in the cablemaker's opinion (Peter).
Mcondon,

"I have an early Kaplan cord and like other power cords better."

Well, so do I! Which is why I no longer make the mkI or mkII versions of my cables. The mkI versions were produced from early 2009 - 2011, mkII from late 2011 thru 2013, with the mk3 introduced Jan 2014. I don't change my cables often, but when I do, it is a significant improvement. And like all my cables, I offer an attractive upgrade policy for crediting 70% of the previously purchased retail price against the current retail price. For an upgrade from a Kaplan Cable 5'HE mkII cord to a Waveform Fidelity 5' HE mk3 power cord, that translates to a $228 upgrade cost. Given that all the mk3 cables all use different, significantly superior connectors, new sleeving, labels and proprietary treatment specific to the length/connectors of the cable [the only thing re-used is the cordage/wires, which have the benefit of being completely broken-in], its seems to me a good way of thanking my customers for their support. Try it, you'll like it...

FWIW,
Paul
Waveform Fidelity
Mcondon,

"I have an early Kaplan cord and like other power cords better."

Well, so do I! Which is why I no longer make the mkI or mkII versions of my cables. The mkI versions were produced from early 2009 - 2011, mkII from late 2011 thru 2013, with the mk3 introduced Jan 2014. I don't change my cables often, but when I do, it is a significant improvement. And like all my cables, I offer an attractive upgrade policy for crediting 70% of the previously purchased retail price against the current retail price. For an upgrade from a Kaplan Cable 5'HE mkII cord to a Waveform Fidelity 5' HE mk3 power cord, that translates to a $228 upgrade cost. Given that all the mk3 cables all use different, significantly superior connectors, new sleeving, labels and proprietary treatment specific to the length/connectors of the cable [the only thing re-used is the cordage/wires, which have the benefit of being completely broken-in], its seems to me a good way of thanking my customers for their support. Try it, you'll like it...

FWIW,
Paul
Waveform Fidelity
I have recently tried the Pangea AC9-SE and although I am not 'blown away', I have been mildly impressed.

Good clarity, treble and bass extension, and overall top to bottom neutrality. Using it on a Musical Fidelity tube/solid state hybrid integrated amp - TriVista 300. Have not tried it on any other component(s). Picked up a 3 meter version for $229 from Audio Advisor, with 30 day return option.

May be a risk free/good one to compare in your application.
Check out this 6 Moons review of the Triode Wire Labs "Loom"

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews2/triodewire/1.html

Also remember the NYC show this weekend. Triode Wire Labs is teaming up with Volti Audio (http://www.voltiaudio.com) and Raven Audio (http://www.ravenaudio.com), Sept 26-28 at the Brooklyn Marriott in downtown Brooklyn - Room 349.

See you there!