POST DELETION


Who is in charge of deleting post? I've posted a few time and the post keep getting deleted.
Who gets to delete post? The OP? The WHO??? Kinda underhanded, let yourself be known
and WHY??? Simple...I don't think some post should stay and some go. 
It's an open forum or is it? Keep your hands off my post and everyone else for that matter.
You don't like the answer don't ask the question...

NO CENSORSHIP, nothing unclean about my post, just addressing RUDE people..
oldhvymec
If you mention someone they can flag the post and it might be removed by audiogon other than that audiogon deletes. This isn't an open forum it's  owned and ran by audiogon they create the rules. Complain to them.
No, its not an open forum. What happens is a small but very vocal group of closed-minded prudes complains about any views they dislike, and they are removed. No reason ever is given, only a blanket policy notice so broad and poorly written it could apply to anything or nothing. There is a definite far left political bias both in terms of the complaining instigators and the people doing the removing. Left liberal views are fine, anything else is fair game for removal.

That said, bear in mind not all posts are removed this way. Posters can and do sometimes remove their own posts. I have done this a few times myself. That is not what you're upset about nor should it be. You are right to be concerned.

People often complain about the large volume of posts from shall we say bad actors. The managers of the site encourage this with their misguided approach. They are not alone. This site is but one small part of the liberal media industrial complex.

If the views they hold had any real validity they would know it and trust in the power of their ideas to carry the day. The very fact they have to resort to censorship shows just how pathetically weak they are. The have power but its brittle, and breaking. So keep at it. They may have started the long march. But we will end it.
Only Audiogon admin have power to delete any posts made here.
You yourself have power to delete your own posts only once it has been live for 30 minutes.
Thats it pure and simple.

Wow Thanks for the up date. Simple folks, I'm not here to debate Americanism, just stereo gear. Several post of mine were deleted.
The person was rude, I called him on it. So an admin person did it..
Simple and sweet they may be, but a JERK they still are. 

So where do I pay my dues, is that the catch? So is it palm up or middle finger out? Admin guy take your pick?

My view won't be silenced by some give it all away liberal, or in this case TAKE IT ALL AWAY whatever....Give it a shot though...Go for it..
Packaging a post with insults regardless of it’s validity or political bias will most likely get it deleted. Miller refuses to acknowledge this.
millercarbon ...

I have to agree with you on your assessment. There are a few (very few) individuals who post on this site that should, rather than resorting to censorship, or personal attacks, make a concerted attempt to strengthen their arguments. This is something that permeates the Internet blogs. They are akin to the folks who run off with your choice of a political candidate's yard sign.

Frank
Someone said I was mean, man that hurts me, really hurts me.
I'm sad, I'm just, just. I can't say. blubber blubber, blubber.
WIND!!!!!! Ah....feel better now....

Still getting what I came for so no need to leave just yet..
I still have a White House to run, in my own neighborhood.
No deletions there...Truman/Trump, the big Ts...

Regards, 
The person you called out could have reported the post. The admin would then take a look at it.

I am pretty sure this is what happens the majority of the time.

Another member reports a post.
this raises a flag at whoever is on admin duty on audiogon at that time.
most times they just delete the post without even looking at it or into the report.
that is why it seems some perfectly good posts are deleted.
because anybody can report any post at any time.
no actual good reason required besides spite, mean, wrong phase of the moon etc.


chrshanl37
725 posts
03-17-2020 5:09pm
Packaging a post with insults regardless of it’s validity or political bias will most likely get it deleted. Miller refuses to acknowledge this.

NO ONE should be upset by his or anyone else who post. Hay just because it's different, or opposing, isn't a reason to BAN IT. 

Hay he like what he like, I like what I like, you like what you like.
It's very easy to answer an insult with another, but to delete post because someone got their feeling hurt...That is what happened, didn't like that I ASKED a question. Told me to but out it wasn't my business. THEN don't ask a question if you don't like the answer. That's what should have been deleted RIGHT? BS he has his thoughts too, though a rather tempestuous, young whipper snapper for sure.. Rude! Yes Delete NO...

AMERICA, BAYBEEEE, land of the free home of the brave...


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millercarbon
.... its not an open forum. What happens is a small but very vocal group of closed-minded prudes complains about any views they dislike, and they are removed. No reason ever is given, only a blanket policy notice so broad and poorly written it could apply to anything or nothing ...
This is completely false.  The moderators here are very thoughtful and will explain the reason they delete any post or thread. All you have to do is ask them.  Posts that are profane, abusive, or off-topic are subject to deletion.

Those who complain about the moderation here usually have only themselves to blame.
Wow this is so sad .
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jea48
3,290 posts
03-17-2020 8:23pm
So where do I pay my dues, is that the catch? So is it palm up or middle finger out? Admin guy take your pick?

My view won’t be silenced by some give it all away liberal, or in this case TAKE IT ALL AWAY whatever....Give it a shot though...Go for it..

Oh ya, you will be silenced. Probably banned from Agon for life.

If you posted such an attack against a moderator on the Steve Hoffman forum you would already be gone......

I would hate to stand a picket line with you, BUT I WOULD, because it's the right thing to do. No one was attacked, again no one will silenced any one. Do you understand...NO ONE!!!! Maybe many but not ONE!!!

appreciate you input though.. there is a lesson to be learned here, believe it or not....I may be the one learning, and it wouldn't be the first time..

Regards
This is not a public forum nor in the public domain. This is an audio website that allows people to buy and sell audio equipment and other audio related products. They sponsor  a private chat forum which they own and can moderate how they see fit. In order to use this site you have to join and in doing so agree to their rules of use. 
The rules for posting are published.  Click report this on any post using most any browser and you get a list of reasons one can choose when  reporting a post.    If a rule is broken, moderators may well delete it.
oldhvymec
LEAVE, simple! you are NOT welcome here or your ideas or you friends or, ect. How's that sound to you?
It sounds like you have a problem.
They deleted without looking at my post ... The moderator just deleted ANOTHER POST, HERE! ...  Probably this one too. simple censorship ... Before you take a side, draw a line, make a mistake, LOOK at the forum and make your own informed decision.
Complaints about the moderators are best directed to them. I have found them to be very thoughtful and reasonable.
...  they are not understanding the grievance procedure ...
Audiogon defines the "grievance procedure," so it's odd that you would think they don't understand it.
THINGS WILL CHANGE ...  this space this forum, everything about this is public domain. When it is posted, weather deleted or not....This space is owned by the public and overseen by the military, or it use to be.
Oh no, this site is privately owned and copyrights apply here. Content on this site is not inherently in the public domain.
This space is leased by and with permission from, NOT OWNED.
This site is owned by Audiogon.
... I ask my post be reinstated, and an apology from the uninformed person that keeps deleting them.
That request should be directed to the moderators.
Medic.....
Men down!!
SO WE'RE CLEAR. this space this forum, everything about this is public domain. When it is posted, weather deleted or not...

Did you read the post, once its posted IT IS PUBLIC DOMAIN. 

Deletion stops no one's ability to archive information. or for that matter read someone else who did with their, PCs. You can read anything here, to POST HERE, you must register. IT IS PUBLIC DOMAIN at that point.
If I can read it, it's public. What, I can't read the signs in YOUR store front window, not only can I, I have the right to peacefully protest. IF I want and PICKET the joint, people understand QUICKLY do you,  understand???..Stood a few picket, my friend, and NEVER crossed one.
EVER...Why do you keep crossing mine? Really, Are you really that afraid of being BANNED. Geez ma neez....

What America do you live in? Really, defending such actions. Again I like Agon. The actions of a few, who are VERY rude, should be looked at.
Open opposition, is a good wholesome way to find the issue, discuss possible solutions, and try to come to a conclusion, EVEN if we just agree to disagree.. BUY and SELL, still rules, apply in spite of whatever you may think. I can't sell you a speaker and send you a brick, you didn't buy a brick... But all sales are final. NOT REALLY....

Look up the word discussion, You know how the forum is described.  Discussion Forum..Not MY opinion forum, though they may be the same thing...


feldmen4
7 posts
03-18-2020 9:46am
Unhinged much?,

no just a little bit...., just sometimes, more than others.

Respectfully, and with regard.
In all seriousness from some of the crazy cranky posting I have seen all over the forum this morning it appears that a few members now have too much spare time on their hands.

Chill and relax, we will get through this latest pandemic .
Be safe.

Kurtz:
Did they say why, Willard, why they want to terminate my command?

Willard:
I was sent on a classified mission, sir.

Kurtz:
It's no longer classified, is it? Did they tell you?

Willard:
They told me that you had gone totally insane, and that your methods were unsound.

Kurtz:
Are my methods unsound?

Willard:
I don't see any method at all, sir.

Oh no, this site is privately owned and copyrights apply here. Content on this site is not inherently in the public domain.

The site yes the idea yes, the space NO, it is OWNED by the public. You have to REQUEST and apply for a site, and get you numbers assigned. I just can't rob someones URL and say it's yours, mine or anyones...

If the only way you could see the thing is by signing in, THAT DIFFERENT. How did you find out about Agon? I bought a pair of Elixirs here, and been looking every since.. again I like Agon, I'm trying to get along, not GET IT ON....young whipper snappers..Now pass the ammo, this ain't the ALAMO...

Regards
I think I've too had a couple of my posts removed, but they were generally in the days I'd allow myself to get drawn into pointless arguments.

Over time I've learned to accept that despite what I may believe to be certain truth, it is always up to the reader to make up their own mind. My posts will always matter far less than I think they do, but it took time to realise this.

So all I can ever do is to honestly state things as I see them. Even so, I can be wrong or give bad advice in good intention. Trust me, it's very easily done. It's not always easy to determine what holds the most value to the reader, and this might not be the same as yours.

Some people unfortunately also have a knack of hearing only the part they want to hear. I've done this myself numerous times, and this is where all of my personal disasters of giving advice can be found.

Relationship advice is possibly the biggest minefield out there. Especially here, people tend to leave reason behind and follow their emotional needs, often ending up far from where they expected to be. If ever asked, you really have to think carefully before answering.

Choosing partners and parenting can make choosing speakers look sooo easy.
LOL I agree with everything you said. 47 years, the same partner.
She is a keeper, the kids.. lol the grand kids, BIGGER 
LOL, They're better than eatin' bugs....At least they aren't sick....
and all workin'. Me retired... Too much time, never enough....
Cabinet are drying as I type, cables are cooking, what else could a person need. Quit deleting my post, maybe....ho ho ho......

regards, REGARDS, R E G A R D S
Look at the bottom of your web page see that little © 2020 Audiogon.com ? It means this isn't in the public domain Audiogon owns it you agreed to the TOS when you signed up. 
Oldhvymec " The site yes the idea yes, the space NO, it is OWNED by the public "


That’s not how it works my friend. No one "owns" the internet

Just because people can see what’s posted on a website forum, it doesn’t mean the forums is owned by the public, hence the public has absolutely no rights as to how that site it operated.

If the public "owned" it, I’m sure there would’ve been a ton of ornery ol’ coots who would have already filed a class action suit.
That really big post, with all the capitalization? the one that is dripping with violent insinuation and over the top emotions?

The kind that kills forums?

I reported it.

I am the pot, btw, and I'm calling the kettle....(just got called out on one over on canuck audio. It's simple. I have a different set of triggers...)
The ICANN is the official administrator for assigning names/numbers as of 2016
IT is owned by the WORLD actually, It use to be ran by the US government...It is not now.

The Web sites are owned and operated by individuals, corps. inks, and every other letter.  THEY own no part of the webb.  Other than their own servers, what they paid for...

It's like saying you own the OS in your laptop, you don't, you rent it, and that can be revoked at any time. OR CAN IT??? no it cannot, without a court order. MS may try but the fact, until it's over (litigation wise) you can use their product. (unless you wrote the code for your own NOS/OS, and then only if it's not been hijacked), or use Unix, or Fortain, or whatever OS you like..... I don't question WHO owns what? 

If I can read it, it is public. If I don't have to sign in, or say I'm 18, or 21 or anything, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. If I sign it, it is NOT, but still governed by certain ethical standards, NOT MY WAY or the HIGHWAY. I agreed to accept a cookie. and follow a few rules. you don't just get to choose who you advertise to, sell to maybe.

Sell me a brick when I bought a pair of speakers, here. WATCH WHAT HAPPENS.

Let me ask EVERYONE this, do you think a web site can be shut down? I mean never heard from again?  I know for a fact it can.. Who would do the shutting down? ICANN? They remove site addresses all the time.

WHY? Noncompliance, complaints, nonuse, abandonment, court orders
the list is endless. Agon is the victim not the perpetrator, READ, what I typed it is the individual WORKING here that is the issue, not the SITE...

Gotta go feed the chickens, and remove clamps..Boxes are dry...

grumpy, maybe, unreasonable, no
Nobody is talking about owning the internet except maybe you. You said this site and the content was PUBLIC DOMAIN perhaps you have no idea what that means because it is not. Like I said look at the bottom of the page it has a little © , Audiogon owns the copyright to the content it is not public domain. Yes, their license can be revoked, no different than a bar can lose it's  license or a hair salon. If Audiogon wants to delete this thread and smash the server that holds the content then they can, it's theirs they are not covered by open records laws. 
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Thanks everyone, I found the solution...

Regards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y16xl8i4JiQ

Chill, guys.  Save your energy....;)
We're facing a 'wild ride' for awhile...save your tolerance tix....

Post Deletes' are like traffic tix...everyone gets one eventually....

...and perfect people is an amusing concept,  anyway....*G*
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Crazy, you can ask NOT to remove a post and it still gets deleted!
I guess someone else is a wilting flower. Please quit deleting the post
Moderator, I've ask you, MODERATOR, politely. People will reply in kind BY NOT, playing with them, do you understand moderators? They don't spend money here.
Because you deleted the post people can't see the person is not a good candidate to BUY from or SELL to
You know how your paid, moderator, listen up???
PLEASE!!! BY GUYS LIKE ME....peacefully protesting here.

Regards
If you have any beef with the way the mods do their job here you would be much better served by contacting them directly.

I have found them to be very responsive to email and respectful.

How to contact can be found at bottom of the page , you know where it says ...
" Contact us".


I don't  know  what you're protesting . I've had posts removed, doesn't bother me I understand the terms of use. Now if the government tosses you in jail for what you're saying you have a legitimate gripe other than that you need to get used to the guidelines or find another forum. 
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You just need to quit doing business on the internet. You have no idea who you're dealing with. 
Getting myself worked up over a deleted comment on a forum isn't my idea of showing a backbone or American pride. 
djones511,254 posts03-19-2020 11:49amGetting myself worked up over a deleted comment on a forum isn't my idea of showing a backbone or American pride.

You have to read the post, not just the parts you seem to understand, and neglect the rest. READ all of the post, If you, don't want to know who your dealing with, that your loss, not mine..I do.. deleting post is akin to burning books. You don't have to like my book, I don't have to like your, but BURN the book before I get to read it.... You do need a lesson in what makes America, AMERICA. I purchase here, there is a reason.
READ...

Respectfully
I have a hard time following your comments that's true. If you're talking about buying and selling equipment on this site I have bought and sold stuff for over 10 years here I never once actually "knew" who I was dealing with. Forum moderators deleting comments that violate their terms of service is not remotely akin to book burning. Like I said hard to follow what you're saying. 
djones511,255 posts03-19-2020 11:47amYou just need to quit doing business on the internet. You have no idea who you're dealing with.

You do if, the information is not being deleted. WAKE UP...

Again the neighbors house is on fire, everyone sees but everyone thinks someone else called the fire department. House burns down..
If it's not an issue for you, then it's not. If it is for me, then why would you give a crap? You don't see, by your own admission...It doesn't effect you.. post your post and be happy...

Regards
Just trying to understand, you ask questions and try to get to know who you're buying or selling to in open forums where your posts were deleted? When I buy or sell here it's a pretty straight forward process with a few emails, money sent and equipment shipped. Like I said hard to figure what the gripe is.
I have a hard time following your comments that's true. If you're talking about buying and selling equipment on this site I have bought and sold stuff for over 10 years here I never once actually "knew" who I was dealing with. Forum moderators deleting comments that violate their terms of service is not remotely akin to book burning. Like I said hard to follow what you're saying.

In that case we're on the same page, we're both learning.. but were not deleting, if it's not there it's tough to get a feel for a Gonner, see my point.

You know a person by his or her post, can't read deletions, that make sense?

Information can be gold.. Just have to weed through the crap sometimes right.. It's the old Dick Tracy (father use to say that) in me that keeps me from making some REAL boo boos, ay..

Though lately, I'm on quite a streak....

Regards
Ok I think I am getting it I am slow on the uptake. I never bothered to look up anyone who bought from me or who I bought from. Other than their feedback numbers, It was just a simple money for product transaction i wasn’t looking to get in a relationship. Now if they said they were going to buy and deleted their whole account that’s a problem .
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