Poor Fritz


There’s no better value and no one as willing to make bespoke speakers out there than Fritz and these forums treat his speakers as if they cost $200K.
They don’t. They are remarkably affordable and yet potential customers put him through the absolute ringer, asking for custom features, going through 2 or 3 models of home auditions and maybe not even buying any of them.

Look, you buy what you want to buy, but I think not enough credit is given to the man or his speakers in terms of the overall value proposition and I think this is a disservice overall.  If you write a 5 page review, please keep this very much in mind that you are not reviewing Wilson or Focal's flagships.  Maybe he doesn't deserve quite the same scrutiny.

erik_squires

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The rule of thumb in hi-fi manufacturing is to price a product at ten times the cost of parts. Assuming that is for selling through brick & mortar retailers, for direct sales let’s cut that in half. Even at five x parts, the $3500 Fritz is still UNDER-priced.
If Fritz can do it for that price what does that tell us about all the other speaker companies? It tells us that we are being duped. Wake up and smell the coffee, most hifi speakers are overpriced and you know it!
Fritz suggests on his website that his speakers are the worlds best sounding.

This is simply an unproven statement. Do not be deceived by companies that make such bold claims. 

If Fritz was so great, nobody would buy WILSON AUDIO, B&W, VIVID, YG ACOUSTICS, MAGICO, FOCAL, KEF.

The evidence does NOT support the conclusion that Fritz speakers are a cut above the rest.
 Dynaudio and others were doing this for years with Totem and other manufacturers starting out with custom quality wound voice coils, better magnets, or surrounds, and different baskets in special circumstances
Why arent these supposedly better versions already being produced and offered for sale to the public then? 
The problem with Fritz speakers is the wooden boxes they use are no better than a DIY job. If you want high end speakers surely the wooden box needs to be elevated in quality too? If you look at other high end speakers they do use more advanced boxes even if they are made of mdf. 
It's knarly because of the title... Which is how the OP intended it... He likes to troll then call foul when it goes in a direction he doesn't like.
who is the troll?
Erik, 

I still haven't been told what improvements you could do to the SNR1 which incidentally were heavily criticized by the engineers over on diyaudio. Feel free to share your thoughts. 


Duke, 

The goal of speaker design is PERFECTION. If you cannot or will not agree to that, you are in the wrong job. It is all about winning and trying to outdo the competition. There is a war going on and YOU yourself as a speaker engineer are a part of this whether you know it or not. Which faction do you belong to Duke? I have only one interest and that is to find perfection. 

I am not interested in how wonderful the KEF meta LS50s sound, or how wonderful the Audiokinesis Ginas sound. I wanna know how BAD THEY ARE! I wanna uncover all the dirty secrets that so many people are desperate to suppress. Show me why they are flawed and tell me how they can be improved! 
criminal as in deplorable.I stand by that statement. If you are a regular reader of this site you will realize that there are no negative reviews or posts EVER. Perhaps they are all deleted just like many of my posts, that mysteriously disappear? If you look at any speaker companys website the same pattern emerges, No matter cheap the speaker is, you will never see anything negative being said about it.
It is deplorable that speaker companies can make any claim they like and produce no evidence whatsoever. I refuse to apologize for trying to reveal these nasty facts to the wider community of audiophiles.
@perkri

If you disagree with any of the points Ive made the onus is on you to refute me. It is devious of you to think you can win the argument by silencing me.

Clearly you are unable to provide any reasons to refute me which is why you would rather I disappear from this forum.

I am here to stimulate further discussion about speakers but you and others here are simply unable to go beyond name calling. 

So the question for you perkri is this. Who is the better audiophile? me or you? Who is the real troll? The one that seeks to prevent any meaningful discussion by resorting to insults and other extraneous remarks or the one that tries to carry on with the discussion of the topic despite the attacks?

The fact of the matter is that the fritz speaker uses at most $300 worth of drivers in a speaker that sells for $2200. It is natural to ask where all the rest of the money goes. If you are in favor of this price, the onus is on you to convince me that it is reasonable. It is natural to ask, at what price point it becomes unscrupulous? Give me one example of a product that you believe is in fact overpriced so that i can understand your views better.
The tweeter used in the Carrera is a high end, SB acoustics Beryllium tweeter.  A single one is close to $400.  That 7” paper driver is a Scan Speak Revelator and the are around $250
Total cost of drivers is $1300. Cost of speakers is $3500. So how much is he actually making? Can anybody answer that without insulting me? 
You can buy kits that come with cabinets already assembled all you need to do is fit the parts in. 

https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/speaker-kits/satori-ara-2-way-speaker-kit-pair/

These are a fraction of the cost of the fritz and use top end drivers. They are $1400.

The braced cabinet design is slanted and has an unusual faceted baffle. It looks much cleaner and professional than the fritz cabinet. The finish on the ARA speakers are high gloss and look very good. 

If you arent concerned about the high gloss finish you could get cabinets made for less than the $700 Madisound charges you. 

As you can see, Fritz speakers are overpriced when you consider the alternatives. 
If you know of someone who buys parts and builds new quality speakers for FREE at no labor cost, please share their name and contact info.
You are completely missing the point. The point is I gave you an example of an alternative to the fritz speakers. The cabinets come preassembled. 
The labor involved is between 15 minutes to an hour depending on your experience. The speakers are just as high quality if not better. They use the highest quality parts and the finish is as good as a commercial product.

What good reason can you give to buy the fritz when you can buy better for a fraction of the cost? 

Are you saying that audiophiles should pay someone an additional $2000 to assemble the kit, if they are not confident to do it themselves? 

It doesnt matter if Fritz needs to cover his expenses. That is not our problem. Why pay more when you can get it for less?
They are close enough for me
No they are not. They are not even full range. They suffer from lobing just like other speakers. Nobody would buy Wilson or Magico or Vivid if the Fritz were superior. So lets be realistic.
@b_limo 

Do the Fritz have any weaknesses in sound quality? What improvements could be made if the speakers were sold for ten times their current price?
Maybe not so much on your bose cubes.
@mofojo 

I don't have any Bose cubes. And when did I ever say that i was using Bose cubes to try to hear the differences between amps and dacs? You're just making things up in order to try to insult me but you have now failed because the assumptions you made were FALSE.