Playback Designs MPS-5 CD/SACD Player


Category: Digital

I recently added the Playback Designs MPS-CD/SACD player to my system and now that I've got some hours on it I thought I'd share my impressions.

First, realize that I don't have any references in the same price band as the PD, so the comparison will be to a grossly different universal player (a modded Pioneer Elite DV-58AV with a Superclock 4 and beefed up I/O stages). The Pioneer was actually pretty decent with SACD, but I longed for much more with redbook CD. I found myself listening to lots of vinyl or listening to SACDs and DVD-As.

There are now two or three reviews out about the MPS-5, most notably Mike Lavignes, supplemented by an excellent addendum by Ted Smith. David Robinson is working on a detailed review, but gave a preliminary thumbs up.

Well, I listened and listened and went back and forth from the Pioneer to the Playback Designs. The PD was clearly superior, but how to describe it was my issue, other than use words like bigger air and imaging.

All became crystal clear when I ABd using Enrico Rava (trumpet) and Stefano Bollani's (piano) latest CD "The Third Man". (BTW, this is a fantastic, etherial, jazz CD. Rava is one of the worlds great jazz trumpeters IMHO). If the pictures on the CD cover and insert are accurate, this is recorded in a live studio with hardwood floor and just a couple of mics. One mic is stuck right in the piano, with the lid open and the other is stationed in front of Rava, sitting about five-feet beyond the foot of the piano.

The first cut, "Estate", starts with just piano. I think a touch of reverb is added because of the very close proximity of the mic to the strings. With the MPS-5 the image of the piano stretches from about three-feet inside my right speaker to two-feet outside. (That reverb might actually be very light "flange" effect or "chorus", stetching the image so far). That image goes from my floor to a foot or two above the right speaker, but it's focal point is about six-inches inside the speaker about three-feet off the floor.

In contrast, the Pioneer doesn't go outside the speaker at all and stops about a foot from the floor and at the top of the speaker. I'd matched levels, but I tried to expand the Pioneer's image by turning up the volume, but no go, it just got louder, not bigger and "fuller".

Let's talk about Rava's trumpet image. The engineer has placed him to the left of center, but not out at the speaker. His mic is about four feet from the floor in the picture and he's sitting casually and playing. His mic is where you hear the atmosphere of the room, with both direct and reflected trumpet sound coming through, stretching from the piano edge to the left speaker, with a real strong focal point about four feet high and 30-degrees to the left of center. Once again, the Pioneer nails the focal point of the trumpet. You can hear the room, but it's much less obvious.

Didn't I say "fuller" earlier? Let me talk about it more. With that piano intro that I mentioned earlier, there's an incredibly rich and complex set of overtones, strongest at the piano's focal point, but showering the surrounding area with a overtones that decrease in richness as you move away from the focal point. Unfortunately the Pioneer is lacking the best overtones. The piano sounds "clangy" and thin in comparison. With the MPS-5 it sounds like there's more bass, but there's also way more high overtones. It's not all steel sound, but you hear the wood sound clearly.

The trumpet gains the same luxurious coating of overtones, high an low, making it sound fuller and richer and less edgy.

I don't have Rava's album on LP, but I do have a couple of Nora Jones albums on CD and LP. I'd stopped playing the CDs after I got my Pro-ject TT. Now the CDs are back out. In direct comparison, the glare and edge I was hearing in Nora's voice on CD is now gone. The images are now as big as the LP. The improvement is VAST.

Still, I think it took a sparely recorded album like Rava's to clearly demonstrate to me what I was hearing. Everything sounded fuller, more dynamic and just plain better, but now I can explain better why.

The excellent Reference Recordings CD "Crown Imperial" shows a couple of other advantages of the MPS-5. When things get really complex, with everybody playing loud but different lines at the same time it's much easier to pick out each line. I've played this before as a trumpeter, so I have a very good idea what's going on. Even knowing that I'd lose lines with the Pioneer, where the PD kept each line separate and easy to follow.

The controls are simple and intuitive, with a nicely backlit remote. The drawer is solid and fast. Like most drawers, if you push on it when it's open, it'll close. The chassis is heavy aluminum plate. At this price you might hope for a chassis machined from aircraft billet, but instead you get a solidly made chassis that's attractive, stiff and heavy.

There are balanced and unbalanced analog outputs (I used balanced into my Rowland Continuum 500 integrated amp). There is a wide selection digital inputs and outputs, but no HDMI either in or out. (My Pioneer has DSD-out via HDMI, so I miss the potential to use that with the Playback Designs).

Playback Designs' web site is not up yet, but it will be reasonably soon, I hope. I leave that to give you more technical details. I'm only here to talk about sonics.

Sorry that I didn't have any 10 and 20-thousand dollar players to compare the MPS-5. Mike, Ted and Dave have started that and there'll be more to come.

BTW, the retail price is $15,000 and there's an introductory price of $10,000. I have no idea how long that'll last, but I suspect it'll end soon, when the web site is up and marketing swings into full force.

Dave
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Dave & Guido,

I am looking for that last digital purchase (I am 55) and it sounds like if I read both of your last answers correctly that the Playback Designs was very close to Esoteric 3 box combo. If that is right the Playback must be quite impressive. Any other input on the your Playback vs. Esoteric listening.

Thanks.
If you search this site and www.audioasylum.com you'll find a ton of discussion. Also, there's a review at Positive Feedback. I'm hoping that some non-owners that heard the PD at RMAF will add their comments. Guido's a non-owner.

So far, based on personal accounts sent to me by users here and at the asylum, it's replaced Emm, AMR, Marantz and Esoteric (single-box) in user systems.

Unfortunately the Esoteric system's speakers were not properly set up and our time was limited and we couldn't take the Esoteric to another, better room; therefore, I think we've said about all we can say in fairness.

I'm comfortable with my report that the Esoteric needed to be in DSD mode and connected with balanced ICs and then it got very close. Because of the system's limited bass response our report is incomplete, even for a preliminary report. Others, sitting behind us in the same room, were hearing the same things and, in fact, one was a dealer and inquired about how to contact the PD distributor.

Dave
Dave is correct, I own neither MPS-5 nor Esoteric tristack; rather, my CDp is the single box TEAC X-01 Limited, which I have not had the opportunity of comparing directly to PD as yet. Given the various unfavorable circumstances of the session, all I can say is that in the end I had some distinct but not overwhelming sonic/musical preference for TEAC tristack over PD, and that both players are amazingly good in their own right.
It is also worth pointing out that, as I have used exclusively X-01 LE for a few years, I may have developed some affinity for the TEAC house sound.
In final analysis, if I had no budget constraints, I would go for TEAC P03/D03/G0Rb (yes, with the higher end Rubidium clock, which according to Tim Krable of TEAC yields even higher sonic performance than G03); If I were 'budget' conscious I would be excited to obtain the PD MPS-5; and finally, as in reality I have 0 budget for a new front end, I will stick to my trusted old X-01 Limited for a spell longer. Guido
Guido

I know you spent a little time in our room, I can't remember when you came by however and I thought the sound didn't settle in until late Friday. What were your thoughts?
Hi SoundsReal, I visited your suite with Dave Stephens. . . probably before you had an opportunity of doing final fine tuning of speaker positioning. . . . Rather, I'd love to visit your shop next time I travel to Denver, and listen to your fine equipment in the SoundsReal optimized environment. Guido
Playback Designs now has a web site at:
Playback Designs web site

For owners, theres a firmware update allowing 24/192 input.

Dave
Hey everyone,

have just bought a MPS-5. Was very intrigued by the approach taken by Playback Designs and ive always been a sucker for original and innovative audio .

Ive been listening for just under 50 hours, so its a bit early for a definitive opinion and im going to wait a few weeks to get rid of new buyer enthusiasm which kinda always taints one's objectivity.

Lets just say that it's the most organic and classy sounding player i've ever own (previous players include Audio Aero, Accuphase, Wadia). I listen to a variety of musical genres, from classical to hard rock: everything ive thrown at it was a revelation. Im very bad at analogies and i find them overused, but i'll still do it: it was like listening to music coated with honey without the syrup.
Although it's a bit thin and closed in, this is normal for a brand new unit. Its supposed to go 3D at around 200 hours (wow, cant wait for that).

I cant believe there's 300 hours of break in to go which should make this player even better !!

Important note for all you MPS-5 potential buyers out there: ive seen reviews saying this unit is quiet operation, it is NOT. It makes a very audible motor and spinning noise when starting and stopping tracks. It is less audible when playing, but its still more noisy than most CD players out there. So if you're sitting right next to your rig, this might be a problem.

Cheers
Xavier
Hi Xavier, I too bought an MPS-5 after umm-ing and ahh-ing about it for a few years (see my initial post in 2008 in this thread!). Part of the reason for the delay was an unconvincing demonstration early in 2010 of a player which was brand new out of the box with no burn-in. It sounded closed in, thin, and brittle - exactly as you described. I had a repeat demonstration in November last year of a burnt-in player and it easily trounced anything else I have ever heard.

You have made a very good decision. But if you are impressed with the sound now, wait till it hits the 500 hour mark. I recommend that you hook it up to your computer as a DAC, and leave it running 24/7. 500 hours of non-stop running time is about 16 days ...
Badwisdom, MPS-5 utilizes a VRDS TEAC transport mechanism. Some TEAC transport units can be a little mechanically noisy.... Such noise is not transmitted to electrical signals, and never results in a deteriorated sonic performance. G.
Hey guidocorona,

I know it's purely mechanical and doesn't directly affect sound, I'm just so surprised that the transport is described by everyone as quiet in operation when it so clearly never is !

People base purchasing decisions base on online reviews and should know that the mps-5 has a noisy transport. Maybe it's not noisy as others (emm labs springs to mind) but it's not "dead quiet", not even when reading the disk.

Hey amfibius,

I actually like doing break in in real time, I'm in no particular hurry and actually relish taking my time discovering slowly the audio improving :)
Badwisdom, there appears to exist some variability in the noiseprint of TEAC transports.... Within exactly the same model, some units are a little noisy, while others are dead quite. Coincidentally, all the MPS-5 units I have heard featured totally quiet transports.
The MPS-5 does not use a VRDS transport; it uses a VOSP transport from Esoteric (which are completely different; you can read about the different transports from Esoteric on their website). In any case, the VOSP transport is not noisy in my experience unless you put your ear within six inches to a foot of the mechanism. From any normal listening distance, the VOSP mechanism in my EMM Labs XDS1 is inaudible and I would expect the same is true of the mechanism in the MPS-5, unless the transport is not properly isolated from the chasis.
Ok so i have a noisy one then, lucky me.

When on mute, I can hear the transport noise from 10 feet away (start, stop and reading track). I can hear start, stop and skip from the other side of the room (18 feet).

Cheers
Xavier
Just for the record, my MPS-5 is not noisy. I can hear it spin up on starting, but "so what?" The noise does not interfere with my listening pleasure one iota.
Let me add that the metallic drawer of the MPS-5 not only is noisy, but its a death trap for CDs.

If you somehow miss even slightly the ideal placement of the disc, and its easy to miss as the tray is recessed, then its scratch city.

I cant believe that this doesnt appear in any review. It makes inserting discs a real painful exercise.