Placement,Treatments,Extreme Science Experiments ?


Speaker Placement Room Treatment and Extremely Odd Science Experiments!! Maximum System Performance Desperately Desired!

(Note please look at “my system” when advising)

For my tender age of 24 I am extremely thankful for the system I have assembled. Like most audiophiles I still have the desire to upgrade. I could definitely use a better turntable and phono stage! I have also toyed with the idea of upgrading my interconnects and speaker wire to Nordost Blue Heaven or the likes.

Currently I have reached a point where I simply will not let myself upgrade any of my equipment before I come to terms with and address several of my other concerns. Firstly money! I simply do not want to invest any more into my system nor do I have the funds to do so right now.

Secondly, speaker placement and room treatment. I just can’t get it right!? I have read all the available forums, read Robert Harley’s book, my speaker manual and I have moved my speakers time after time.

I live in a two floor apt with two other housemates. Luckily we have a decent sized living room that has bump out in it for a kitchen and a dining room on one end. The room is a long rectangle. One wall is very long the other wall is more broken up due to the kitchen a bathroom door and a stairwell going downstairs. The ceiling is a tad lower than the standard ceiling. I don’t have any exact measurements but I could take them if someone felt it would benefit their analysis.

All mesurments are very rough here.My speakers are placed 3/4 down the long wall. The right speaker is about 5ft from the corner of the room and there is a bookshelf against the long wall in that corner. The closest corner to the left speaker is at least 10 feet away. The speakers Nautilus 805's are on the B&W 805 stands and are sand filled. They are about 5 feet apart toed in a bit and equidistant (5ft) from my sweet spot. (a couch in the middle of the room). Speakers have been 1 ft to 2 1/2 feet out from the wall. The wall behind the listening position is about 7-8 feet away from my listening position. My couch cannot really be moved back much farther due to the banister along the stairwell. There are pictures on the walls two couches and carpet over a wood floor.

Tonally I guess I am satisfied, things seem balanced. I think I am looking for more focus and detail to come through. I know it’s there!!

My Experiments: Besides hopelessly moving my speakers around I have tried other things. I tried hanging a thick tapestry on the wall behind my listening position. With the help of my housemates (who thought I was nuts!) I did some blind testing and could tell no difference.

THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE! Last night while doing some listening and tweeking I heard ‘it’. It was the detail I was looking for. What did I do to achieve this? Call me crazy… I simply cupped my hands and put them behind my ears. WOWEE! I started experimenting with cupping, uncupping, flattening my hands, and pushing out my earlobes.

Keep in mind that I am young and I know for a fact that I have perfect hearing. What I heard? Detail and Focus like I have never ever ever heard from my system before. Each vocal track hung in its place and presented itself with great detail and emotion. Musically the sense of space and sound stage was mind blowing. Songs I have listened to for my whole life took on new meaning. Simply pushing my earlobes out from behind as little as an inch was better than any upgrade or tweak I have done in this last few years. Why is this? I have a general idea of why this would be the case…. I am simply catching more sound waves more info etc?

I could market a device to wear while doing serious listening. Don’t know if this would be considered cheating or not, or if anyone would be interested? (Disclaimer: Don’t steal my idea!) The truth of the matter is this experiment didn’t solve my problem, just created a new one. I have heard what my system is capable of and now I am not willing to settle for less! As I expressed I fail to properly place my speakers, don’t know where the hell to start with room treatment,(foam on the wall behind my speakers?) and I don’t want to spend too much $ but I am into DIY. Helppp! I don't think I will be happy until I achieve what I heard last night!

A related question...which is (are) the best sterophile test cd’s (out of the different volumes they sell which is the best to buy?)Would these help?

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR TIME AND PATIENCE I WOULD HAVE NEVER COME THIS FAR WITHOUT ALL OF YOU! –Adam

Note! The room IS wider behind the listening area due to the stairwell/out cove. BUT both speakers face the deeper portion of the wall. I don't think reflections from the left speaker and the closer portion of the back wall are the problem. I tired to type out a diagram but it wouldn’t save correctly.
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Showing 1 response by bomarc

Squid: One of the most important factors in what we hear is the shape of our outer ears (and, no surprise, everyone is different). Your experiments are, in effect, altering that shape. You are not suddenly "hearing more from your system." You are hearing through different ears. In some cases, as when you cup your hands behind your ears, you are hearing less--specifically, you are blocking reflections from behind (and possibly beside) you. It may appear that you're hearing more detail because you are increasing the ratio of direct to reflected sound you hear.

Now, what have you learned? You've learned that reflections are VERY important. In fact, they are much more important than most of the components in your system. So keep working on that, and recognize that room changes are going to be much more subtle than your earflaps. Work on all the first reflection points--floor, walls, even ceiling. (You said you had a lowish ceiling. That's a factor.)

Also, keep in mind that reflections are normal, and even good. If you sit in the middle of Carnegie Hall with your eyes closed, it can be hard to tell where the music is coming from.