umm. . . .they CAN'T tour with the original lineup! syd barrett is too mentally unstable to do anything except gardening and painting. if anyone mentions pink floyd to him, he gets royally agitated.
and dave gilmour wasn't an original member, either.
the original members were:
syd barrett: guitar/vocals
roger waters: bass
nick mason: drums
rick wright: keyboards
dave gilmour came in to fill in for the increasingly mentally-unstable syd barrett. after barrett left, gilmour became his permanent replacement, and waters assumed most of the songwriting duties.
interestingly, though - gilmour helped produce and played on syd barretts solo-albums after replacing him in pink floyd.
I'd be near the front of the ticket line for a Waters/Gilmour/Mason/Wright line-up.
Apparently its associated with the upcoming Live 8 concert so look for more details to come. Reportedly they have not played in public together since 1981...
Lazarus28, yes, but you know what I mean...
I saw the band on these three tours: DSOM, WYWH, and Animals. FYI they also played at New York State University at Stoney Brook (on long island) a few times in the late 60's - early 70's.
Debated and never went to see the Delicate Sound tour at the Nassau Coliseum which is on video.
I would love to be able to see this. I suppose it'll be on TV here in the US. There don't seem to be any plans for continued touring. I wonder how much money they will donate to world hunger relief?!?
Whilst you can never discount this one off sparking something I would think in all probability it'll remain just that a one off.
Gilmour has been fantastically generous to charities in recent years by giving away tens of millions, he's had several digs at people like McCartney to match his donations.
Waters is too very interested in human rights etc. and probably remains friendly with Bob Geldof (they worked together on The Wall movie and got on well).
This cause and these factors have probably been the main catalyst and not a desire to make music again.
Anyone know what the initial argument between RW and the rest of Pink Floyd is about?
Money!! the root of all evil and the use of the Pink Floyd name...haha...Oh well, we have P Diddy, 50 cents, and a huge comeback in the likes of Will Smith for our Philly G 8 bash.
Basically the band slowly fragmented-they all openly admit that WYWH was the last album they actually worked together in a band sense.
Waters by becoming the main writer and leader became the very reason why Floyd continued and split.By the time of Final Cut Waters had obtained total control and the relationships that were strained had all but ended.
The band relied on Waters coming up with the concepts/songs and he assumed total control as much out of neccesity as ego.
Waters made the fatal mistake of underestimating the bands name and went to great lengths to try and stop them continuing using it-he effectively quit after The Final Cut thinking it would finish the band.
If you listen to the music it's all in there-The Wall has some very obvious Waters only moments but is balanced by quite Floyd sounding moments.
The Final Cut sounds like a Waters solo piece and by and large is.
Faults on all sides but the bitterness runs deep between Gilmour and Waters.
It was in Monday's USA Today. I forget where they are playing and I think it is for one show only, a good cause that was enough for them to put aside their differences.
That is my take from a brief reading before work this morning...
Ben_campbell, the funny thing is some of my favorite PF release start with WYWH. Sometimes I spin The Final Cut for a weekend at a time. I don't know about everyone else, but I think Roger Waters is a genius.
Matchstikman-I slightly disagree but don't doubt that in many ways Roger Waters was the key man in Floyd.
In my mind where they worked best is where they married Waters superb lyrics,music and visions with the great musicianship within the band.
To me this worked best on Moon and WYWH-after that there are some superb moments but the diminishing relationships are reflected in the music.
There is a collective strength that for me doesn't work when the balance is altered (parts of The Wall and The Final Cut).
I have never been a fan of either Waters solo stuff to any great extent nor Watersless Floyd.
Rick Wright has really been overlooked in the wake of the Waters/Barrett/Gilmour legacy. He is a most subtle, elegant and thoughtful musician. Floyd was really a complete band with, in the best of moments, all players playing as one. We'll see if you can go home again.
Wright's contribution since Animals was close to zero (a fact he freely admits)and as such played a major part in the dissolving of the band and imho the decline in their music.
If Roger Waters isn't a genius, he is at least a better songwriter than your average bear. When I listen to The Wall, Final Cut, and some of his solo stuff, I am in awe of where he comes up with his stuff. He digs deep and comes out with a mess and turns it into some powerful energy, dark as it may be.
He is a fantastic songwriter, no doubt.
Having been only one year old in 1981, it excites me to see them together live, even if I will only see them on TV.
There's just something about watching it when you can consciously remember what's going on.
Well it will be great to see them together again. I saw the Delicate Sound and Pulse tours and what a show. Everything else pales by comparison. Hopefully they will make a DVD of the show and offer it for sale. As far as Waters goes I think Radio K.O.A.S. was a work of genious. But don't discount the work Gilmour, Wright and Mason have done without Waters.
pray they get greedy and start thinking about what ridiculous amount of money they could make on a world tour
I don't know about the others but D Gilmour is pretty well off. A few years ago he donated a 14 million dollar mmansion that he owned in the US to charity.
and i hate to be the broken record, but let's not discount the fact that syd barrett laid the groundwork for the band, and that they used the template that he formed to build on. not to take anything away from waters, but i think people underestimate just how much of a mark syd left on the band, even after he left the band.
I think it's worth repeating at a stretch they might get 30 mins and 20 mins is more likely at this show so a DVD?
Barrett was Floyd at the start but I see Gilmour/Waters Floyd as basically a different band.
I agree with Ben_campbell. Floyd with or without Barrett is alot like a hotdog with mustard or a hotdog with mayo; two different hotdogs, altogether......"TWO DIFFERENT HOTDOGS." Sorry, I couldn't resist.
I don't understand what the fuss is all about. They've agreed to play a few old songs live for a day, that's it. No mention of recording new materials from anyone, yet. Nor do I see them recording together anytime soon. For one thing, Waters is not going to record anything for the sake of Pink Floyd at this stage of his life. I also don't see Gilmour being content with just playing guitar on an album like Clapton and Beck.
As much as I like to believe that Bob Geldof brought all this together, I'd think that the recent death of Floyd manager Steve O'Rourke made this re-union a lot easier, for Waters had unresolved issues, business and personal, with O'Rourke.
And yes, Wright never gets much credit for his work, i.e, when he did or was allowed to put in some work. Ever wondered how pink those early Floyd albums (befor Animals) would have been without Wright, or what he might have added to Amused to Death?
A rekindled interest in a tour would be fantastic! I only saw them twice, post Sid and with RW. The first time was at the release of DSOTM, at the Irvine Auditorium in Philadelphia, a round auditorium purpose built in the 20's to house a pipe organ, seating is about 1,100 I believe. The second set that night was DSOTM, a very memorable and colorful evening it was...
Lets not discount the efforts that Gilmour has invested in trying to get the band back together. He said in an interview that he would like to continue recording with Waters and in another interview Waters stated he was not willing to talk to anyone in the band nor the interviewer about the indifference. If you listen to the words on the Divison Bell and under stand the concept of the Division Bell I feel it is very clear that Gilmour has approached Waters and as he puts it "Kindley told to go f- myself"
But hopefully they will work things out. The Eagles did after all acknowledge that "Hell Froze over"
Theo what efforts are these Gilmour made?-this is a statement without substance sure DG can seem like a much more polite individual than Waters in interviews but to the best of my recollection he has never did anything to negotiate Waters back into the band.He has run post-Waters Floyd just as autocratically as Waters did in the later years.
Check the other'Gon Floyd thread there's a direct quote from Gilmour where he calls Waters "a Prick".
Whilst Waters paid the price of imagining Floyd were nothing without him any analysis of the Waters/Gilmour relationship will show there was always underlying problems and at times real antipathy.
I thought that the issue was that Waters didnt like the ego trips Pink Floyd (Gilmour mainly) were going as their fame grew...Waters said many times that he didnt care to play to audiences sitting 150 yards away...the whole kit and kabootle was just getting to be a circus...thats why he had the band playing behind The Wall...
Honestly, there is no remote comparison in the quality of the music that Waters made on his own and in Floyd compared to Gilmour's Floyd ( Gilmour loves the big shows, lasers, and big choruses). Gilmour definitely has the ego going...Gilmours solo LP's just show how little direction he had on his own, and so did his Floyd.
I have to disagree somewhat with Jsujo. While I prefered PF with RW, Gilmour has made some very good solo stuff and Floyd music. Of course, this is only my own opinion and others have the right to disagree.
I saw Floyd twice in the 90's great show if it wasnt for all the puking hippy wannabe's...those little assholes can really ruin what should have been an amazing experience, with all the screaming idiots it was only very good.
Hasnt Gilmour only put out 2 LP's? David Gilmour and About Face...I cant see that stuff as being that good..kinda generic to my ears.
hhhmmm...wow thats a lot of response for an increadable band who is getting together for 1/2 hour to play some music !!!
I say Bravo -- I am happy to see the boys back together again ...(wish he Beatles had done it )
and yes -- Sid is not back -- but the pink flyod I think everyone knows is with Mr.Gilmore ...
when Sid started the Band it was a different concept and a different band..
And Dave Gilmore even on his solo tours alsways praises Sid and plays a few of his songs ...
why did they break up? .. are they getting back together again? will the moon not be dark?
Who cares-- let them play and lets all sit back and enjoy the MUSIC !!
after all thats what this hobby is about .. is it not ?
The live DVD by DG is great. And it has Rick Wright as well.
If anyone is still interested here's an article about R. Waters.
Roger Waters Set to Debut His First Opera
Jul 13, 4:20 PM (ET)
By NEKESA MUMBI MOODY
NEW YORK (AP) - Although Roger Waters dabbled with operatic themes in Pink Floyd's "The Wall," he's never written a traditional opera - until now.
Waters will debut "Ca Ira (There Is Hope)," his opera about the French Revolution, Sept. 27 with a double-CD and DVD project from Sony Music.
Though the production includes baritone Bryn Terfel and other classical music veterans, Waters believes "Ca Ira" might spark some skepticism from the classical music world.
"I'm in some state of trepidation because I feel that I'm putting my head on the chopping block," he told The Associated Press in an interview Tuesday.
"It's actually very melodic and it's unashamedly emotional. So, if the intellectuals of the modern opera world are catty about it, so be it. I fully expect some resistance. There will be a lot of, 'Who does he think he is?'"
The idea for the opera came in 1989, around the time of the revolution's bicentennial, when songwriter Etienne Roda-Gil approached Waters with his libretto, illustrated by Roda-Gil's wife, Nadine.
"He wanted to know if he could use my old songs," Waters said. "I looked at it and sort of fell in love with it ... after six weeks I had a demo that was over two hours long."
The death of Roda-Gil's wife from leukemia halted work on the project, but Waters and Roda-Gil eventually began working together again. Waters wrote French and English versions.
He said the themes of "Ca Ira" are especially relevant today.
"It's not just a piece about the French Revolution, it's about revolution in a much broader sense, and it's about the capacity that human beings have for personal change," Waters said. "The piece is an exultation and an encouragement to those of us who believe the human race can discover its humanity and its capacity for empathy to the point where it may be possible for us at some point to guarantee the basic human rights of the individual (around the world)."
"Ca Ira" will be performed in concert in Rome in November, but Waters' ultimate goal is to have it produced by an opera company.
As for his rock career, Waters, 61, is working on new album. But those hoping for a Pink Floyd project after the group's reunion at the Live 8 concert in London will be disappointed.
"The chances of further developing with the Pink Floyd reunion are very slight," he said.
"The Live 8 reunion couldn't have been better, it was terrific, I was really glad it happened, we got along famously and it was absolutely fine, but (guitarist) Dave (Gilmour) and I do have major musical, philosophical, political and artistic differences," he said with a laugh. "So for us to reconvene would probably not be the most brilliant idea.
It's also been written in this months Word magazine (UK) that intially Gilmour flatly refused to do the gig.
Waters phoned him direct after Geldof failed to convince him.
Apparently Gilmour has been working on a solo record which is due out and had serious doubts about the motivation of the other Floyd members keeness to do the gig.
The real irony seems to be that Gilmour has been left in the role that Waters used to inhabit-the band leader who has to oversee everything, control everything or it won't work.
I think we've seen the last of Floyd.
>>I think we've seen the last of Floyd.<<
Actually that happened in 1979 with the release of The Wall. Everything after that has been window dressing.
So was the Live8 gig a mirage?
I think we've seen the last of Floyd.
Sadly, I have to agree.
I must respectfully disagree with you Judy426. "The Final Cut" is one of the best in my opinion and sounds wonderful on vinyl. And the others since then while not classic Floyd are very good also.
So you would place Final Cut at the same level or above:
I think that's a stretch.
Yes, I would. I think I have all of the PF albums and like them all. But the sound quality of Final Cut is amazingly good and the music is also. Opinions may vary.
Sorry I misunderstood your post I guess. I thought you were comparing Final Cut artistically, not sonically, to the other releases. I've never heard it on vinyl so I can't speak to the sonics. However, artistically it is not one of their best efforts IMO. Enjoy.
I also love the Final Cut as well as any other Floyd CD's. It has has such heart and meaning and the SQ is incredable. I do not hear many people mention it when talking about Floyd but I think to many people focus on the Wall and Darkside which I also love. My favorites are the Final Cut, Wish You Were Here and Animals. Roger Waters Pro's And Con's Of Hitchicking is also classic!
I was comparing it artistically as well.
See their live 8 performance at http.//music.channel.aol.com/live_8_concert/home/London_ondemand.adp
I want to get that on DVD. I wonder if there are plans to release the Live 8 event on DVD? As it occurred in July, I doubt that anything is available yet. Anyone know about a possible release?
Check out the site just watching them perform on a PC with $2.00 speakers sent preverbal chills imagine it on your systems. Also, check out McCartney along with U2 doing Sergeant Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band another highlight.
For those who are interested, I found the answer to my previous question: EMI will release a DVD of the Live 8 performances in November. There's a bit of a catch though -The EMI release will be unique for various territories with songs designed to appeal to each market that the title is released in. Floyd is still huge in the states, so it's a given that they should be included on the US release.
I heard on the rumor mill that when Syd Barett was told that Pink Floyd got back together for a concert he asked why they didn't call him. Perhaps music legend, but compelling never the less. Apparently, Syd's phone doesn't ring too much these days.