Phono stage for my system?


I am getting back into my vinyl collection and would like some recommendations from vinyl enthusiasts. My equipment includes the following. 

Ayre K-5xe pre-amp - no phono stage
Pro-ject Debut III turntable with stock Ortofon cartridge (OM 5e I believe)
Proceed HPA2 amp
Aerial Acoustics Model 8b speakers

I am currently using the phono stage in my Integra video processor/pre-amp the signal from which passes through the Ayre pre-amp. I find it lacking in detail and soundstage even when listening to some excellent DG and Decca classical recordings. I realize my cartridge may pose some limitations, so let me know if you view that as an area for potentially greater improvement. 

Given the level of my turntable and cartridge, my budget is up to $1,000 for the phono stage, with the understanding I may choose to upgrade the cartridge or turntable in the future.  Thanks in advance for your suggestions. 

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JLTI is cheaper and absolutely amazing at its price for MM or MC
I have both Gold Note PH-10 and JLTI, the last one is best buy in my opinion! 

I do not recommend any tube phono stage, you can stuck with tube rolling forever and nice NOS tubes are extremely expensive (cost more than phono stage itself). It's just waste of time and money. 
Dear chakster, the English saying ’’I am not rich to buy cheap things’’
my look curious but does apply for phono-pres. What you need is
Klyne 7PX 3.5 RIAA phono-pre. 4 x amplifying stages , ’’endless’’
impedance possibilities, high frequency correction system and first
class production quality.


There are many good features in the Gold Note PH-10 too and amazing reviews, so many people love it, but it does not reproduce super tight bass as my WLM phono stage, or even as the JLTi which is a champ for its price and fully adjustable for MM and MC with RCA plug load resistors on the back.

It’s cool that you like your phono stage, but how many of them did you tried, just curious ? @nandric

Sell one of your ’’Miyabi’s’’ (nobody needs
two) and add to your miserable and wishful thinking $1000 illusion.
The best place to find one is the German ’’audio-markt.de’’.

I need two Miyabi as i’m not gonna retip any of them, i will be happy to buy even one more, also it will help me to better understand which one i like on various tonearms, i can also compare my two (virtually unknown MCA vs. classic Standard). I want to remind you that german audio mart available for german and EU citizens only.

Actually there is one very interesting current load phono stage designed especially for Miyabi by 47 Labs. Read about it! I wish i could try this one.

P.S. Just want to make it clear that i don’t need any tube phono stages. It’s an endless quest with tube rollings and new versus nos, i am so happy that i don’t use tube gear any longer (at least at the moment in my system.

JLTI ships from Australia for about $1,000 U.S., with power supply upgrade about $340 more. The dealer’s description includes the following comments. Not sure if there is a U.S. dealer with a return policy that would allow me to demo the unit before purchase.

Buy directly from the manufacturer, shipping included in the price and the power supply already upgraded in mk5 version (all for $1490 AUD) and this price will be lower for you if you’re not in Australia as they will have to excluded tax when it will be exported from AU. Full support from the manufacturer directly by email, return is not a problem as far as i know. I bought directly from Joe, great service. This is what i use myself. This brand has such a long history and ever phono stage from JLTi was amazing, look for reviews.

P.S. I have Gold Note PH-10 with external Power Supply too. My old upgraded WLM Phonata Reference MM/MC phono stage (with built-in SUTs for MC) appeared to be much better than my new Gold Note PH-10, but also much more expensive.

@nandric

Dear chakster, I called you ’’our second Raul’’ but had no idea
how right I was. You both don’t need any advise whatever so
the question is what you ask this one?

I’ve heard this advice from you at least 5 times before, but i just want to make clear why you like that phono stage so much and how many others did you try before. It will be more interesting to read, because every owner of some phono stage admire what they have, i actually test them and my point of view is critical, based on what i actually hear in comparison (most important for myself). My old is "gold" (since it was upgraded with vishay resistors), my new were all inferior compared to my old in some way, no progress, just waste of money (only to proove that my old is better), so why do i need another that i can’t even check before purchase? This is not my thread and it’s not me who’s asking for advice, but i’m open for an opinion from others all the time. Also intuitively i have some pretenders in my mind when it’s time to check something new, i’ve mentioned one from 47 Labs because its design in unique (zero input impedance, current injection phono stage) and because it’s for Miyabi (and other low impedance MC). I have already tried and own current source power amp (not a voltage power amp like all others) and i was blew away by the quality compared to conventional amps.

@sksos

have you ever heard/tried a step-up from S.A. Labs? (a company out of Moscow).

No, never heard about it and i don't even trust local manufacturers, very few things produced locally nowadays. Regarding new devices i’m happy with ZYX CPP-1 headamp, as for the vintage i got a pair of Luxman Toroidal Silver SUTs.




Actually there are so many phono stages available on the market, and we have some new every year. It is hard to imagine that any of us can try them all to compare. The questions like this makes no sense, we always end up with a list of different phono stages and personal opinions, but we're all have different cartridges, completely different systems and totally different musical preferences. But more important that none of us never tried all different phono stages. In my opinion this is individual path, it is not necessary that you will like what other people recommend.