sbayne ... If a manufacturer were to send a product "free," or at a reduced cost, would that obligate the "tester" to post a positive review? The suspicion that it does is the only reason I can think of for anyone asking the question you did. Its a valid point. Another thought ... Nothing is free. Some price must be paid. The same question was addressed to me in the TC thread. My point there was, hey ...if you think that the time spent testing three incarnations of the product, spending countless hours waiting for a break-in to occur, taking copious notes, and then writing a review that goes on for paragraphs isn't payment, then I'd have to ask what you do for a living. Is your time and labor worth nothing? And by the way, questioning the payment thing, or even a discount in return for a favorable review, is in a way suggesting that the "tester" is being dishonest. In my case, if anything I reviewed turned out to be bunk, I'd either say so, or I wouldn't say anything at all. Also, in reading the last paragraph in your above post, you say the following: - "
I have Tranquility Bases under all my equipment. They are highly effective for a number of reasons but they don't use magnets in any way."
I have to ask ... were you paid for that review? Did you get the Tranquility Bases at a discount? Did you get them for free? What motivated your positive review? Not dissing you in any way. Just trying to spread a little light on the subject. Take care ... Frank |
sbayne ... We seem to be on the same page here. As far as honesty is concerned, I'll take the word of the folks who have taken the time to post feedback on the Perfect Path ad site over that of a "professional" magazine reviewer any day. https://www.audiogon.com/users/perfectpathtechThe magazines very seldom have anything negative to say about any product reviewed. The rave reviews go to the manufacturers who pay for ads in the magazine. Another thing to be aware of is the music the "professional" reviewers use to evaluate the equipment being tested. If you check their music out on a source such as Spotify, so much of it is drenched in artificial digital reverb. Its crap. It leaves you wondering how a reviewer can hear what the equipment really sounds like. Most of my evaluations are the results of listening to recordings (CD's) burned directly from master tapes, or recordings that have natural sound with little or no processing. It makes a big difference. Take care ... Frank |
fleschler ...
I usually check out any recommended recordings on Spotify before I consider buying them. Many of these recommendations occur here from A'gon members. While some are really good, its always surprising how many "audiophiles" prefer music that sounds like its coming from inside a cave. I guess if the professional reviewers recommend something it must be good. :-)
Frank |
ajourney sez: - I myself have not yet the Omega Matt but have the Total Contact & all I can say is OMG! This treatment has changed my entire system! It taken it to a hole new level, the noise floor is dead quiet, transparency is like I’ve never experienced before! Individual voices and instruments show an extraordinary clarity greater resolving and separation than I’ve ever had! This is no snake oil, this is the real deal and there is no downside to the product! My only wish is that I had the spare change to buy three or four of the Perfect Path Omega Matt’s
And there’s another rave review from a "private" reviewer. To the naysayers ... how much money did the above poster get to make his claim? Is he a snake-oil salesman? A shill? A con man? Did he get the product for free? Surly, there is something nefarious going on here, right???? ajourney ... Thanks for the nice words. Tim deserves every bit of the success he’s having with his products. As you can clearly see from your experience, there was no hyping going on. Glad you’re enjoying the TC. The Omega E Mat not only works well with the TC product, but combined together, they will bring an audio system to the point of suspending disbelief. PS: You only "think" the noise floor is "dead quiet." Wait until you get the Omega E Mats. :-) Take care ... Frank |
- This is a community forum and everyone is entitled to his or her opinion weather you or anyone else agrees with it or not.
^^ Yes, you are entitled to your opinion ... but I don’t recall anyone asking you for it. - I would never in my life pay 600.00 for a mat to put under a piece of gear. I wouldn’t even consider it.
Then why are you participating in the thread? - Trust me, I have been "ripped off" many times on tweaks that don’t do as advertised.
Me too, but this isn’t one of those products. Read Tim Mrock’s feedback. And how can you be trusted when you post such negative trash about a product you admittedly haven’t heard or seen? https://www.audiogon.com/users/perfectpathtech - I haven’t heard or seen the mat and never will but that’s my opinion, like it or not.
If you haven’t seen or heard the product, then what are you basing your opinion on ... other than BS? If you come into a thread spewing BS, then other members have the right to express their opinions about your BS opinions as well, no? You may consider that difference of opinion "lambasting" you, but what it really is, is calling you out for spewing BS. Have a nice day, Junior. Frank |
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grannyring ... - I was just looking for a basic premise that the Mat’s design is based on. Thanks!
Tim is being very tight-lipped on the Omega E Mats. Its not TC, according to Tim. These things (mats) seem to have a life of their own. I’m beginning to think that Tim Mrock is divinely inspired. No Geoff, its not crack. However, if you recall, there was one naysayer in the TC thread that claimed he applied TC to his sphincter. I continually asked him what benefits he found from pasting his sphincter with TC, but never received an answer. I could be wrong, but was it "slaw?" :-) Frank |
Al ... Thanks for the input regarding the magnets. I appreciate your concern. I have a doctor's appt. this next week to adjust the pacemaker. I'll discuss it with him and see what he says and report back here on the results. stereo5 sez ... - How rude of me to respond to a thread without being asked, I didn’t realize the rules were changed.
No problem. You're forgiven. You may want to try an E Mat or two using the guarantee. You may be pleasantly surprised. Frank |
amg56 sez: - "just the usual enthusiasts gushing about a blacker sound floor; having gushed about the same results from mega-buck fuses, wall plugs, Graphene treated coagulant fluid and so on, such that the black sound floor could not get blacker or the change be any more audibly discernible unless measured with a meter."
What you don't seem to get is that there is an inordinate amount of electronic noise emanating from all of the electrical components in our systems. With each of the above tweaks you mentioned, a certain amount of that electronic noise was eliminated. Therefore, with each tweak that you mentioned, the amount of electronic noise eliminated incrementally lowered the "noise floor." This is noise that exists ... but you aren't aware of it until its gone. Again amg56 ... you certainly have the right to state your opinions, but its obvious that your opinions aren't based upon experience or facts ... and are totally based upon emotion. Frank |
Bad news on the Mats, guyz ...
I'm holding six Omega E Mats for fleschler. He's picking them up in about an hour from now.
Last night for the listening session. I added two each of Steve's mats under the CD player, the line stage and the amp, bringing the total up to three mats under each unit. Both Robert and I were completely blown away with the results.
Harry Pearson (HP) used to refer to "The Holy Grail." I think the system is getting close to that. Yes, I know there is even more noise to be removed ... but my God, how good can this get?
Look, I know there are those posting here who think I've over-hyped this product. As I was telling Steve on the phone ... if I were a more skilled wordsmith, I would be singing even more accolades toward this product. Its THAT good.
The bad news? The mats are cumulative. The more you use stacked, the better the effects. Expensive .... but worth it in spades. No joke.
Frank |
Amg56 ...
Thanks for your response, I appreciate it.
I don't believe that I have denigrated you in any way, and I won't. Ever.
As far as how I can tell how various tweaks work? I have two of the most sensitive meters on the planet ... the human ear. Both you and I can detect minute changes even in nature. Have you ever hunted small game? You can hear the tiniest, faintest, little rustle of brush. We as humans are tuned into that. Same with our audio systems.
The improvements afforded by both TC and the Omega E Mats are so significant that its easy to hear the difference. No problem at all. So, your suggestion of starting out with a virgin system really doesn't make sense. Its totally not necessary.
My comments on emotion vs facts is because you have no facts on this particular product, but you take an emotional stance against it. Why not just believe what others who've tried these products have to say?
As far as the rest of your questions regarding what goes into the manufacturing of the Omega E Mats, I haven't a clue ... so I'll let Tim Mrock step in here to see what he wants to reveal, if anything.
By the way, Steve Fleischer just left with his six mats. I'll wait for his comments about what he heard here at my home.
Take care ...
Frank |
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amg56 ... - "To use it to it's full potential, a user will need to know what it does and how it does it. No?"
1. What it does: It improves the sound well beyond where you ever thought your system could be. It just sits under a component and seems to charge the component up somehow. 2. How it does it?: No one knows except Tim. But what it does, it does ... in spades. Over the 40+ years that I've been in the hobby, I have never found a tweak that improves the sound so well as TC and these Omega E Mats. And like you, amg56 ... I've been burned on several tweaks before. Frank |
fleschler ... I enjoyed your visit at my place today. I was thrilled to see that you heard the same things that I have with the Omega E Mats. I'm going though withdrawals now that you've taken your mats home, *lol* Let me know how they work out in your system. I know you're not getting much sleep as it is ... but now? :-) Please post your results here. Thanks ... Frank |
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shadorne sez this: - The nonsense continues. “Best product in 40+ years....”
- How many superlatives have already been used on previous TC and SR products...and yet the new mat outdoes then all (until the next product promo of course)
- Shameful what has happened to Audiogon forums ....highjacked for K-tel style blitz marketing
My actual statement was thus: "Over the 40+ years that I’ve been in the hobby, I have never found a tweak that improves the sound so well as TC and these Omega E Mats." Either shadorne has a reading comprehension problem, an intelligence problem, or in his quest for attention, is being totally dishonest here. Either way, shadorne’s credibility stinks. You’d think the least he could do would be to quote with accuracy. Shadorne ... you’re credibility here is already shot. Why continue shooting yourself? YOU shadorne, are what is shameful on these threads, not the legitimate posters who want to further the hobby. For God’s sake, shadorne, read the positive reviews coming forth from those who are using these products. Try to get a clue. Read Steve Fleischer’s review on what he heard at my house yesterday ... then go from there with a more positive attitude. Thanks ... Frank |
kedoades ...
Others may have a different opinion, but I put two Omega E Mats inside my breaker box first. Then, one each under each component with the magnetized side facing up. The two inside the breaker box not only improved the SQ of the audio system, but improved the TV picture as well.
Frank |
^^^ I did my panels by attaching one mat to the inside of the metal door of the panel, and then the other one is up against the switches themselves. I removed no switches, nor did I fool with any switches. There is nothing touching any wires anywhere in the panel. In essence, its just a stock panel with two Omega E Mats magnetically attached to the inside of the panel door. In addition, there has been no TC treatment inside of the panel anywhere.
Stereo5 ...
It sounds to me as if you had a wiring short in your panel. Not the case here at all. But, thanks for your concern.
Frank |
I'm in Southern California, the land of the fires. I could use an air cooled hat right about now. Temps today are in the 100 degree+ range.
Frank |
uberwaltz & stereo5 ...
Southern California is basically a desert. All of our hills are covered with chaparral. During hot weather, the oils in the brush come to the surface. All it takes is a dry lightening strike to set the fires off. As the plants burn, the seeds are expunged and end up in the soil. As soon as the rains come in the winter ... all four inches of it ..* lol* ... the seeds sprout and the greenery starts all over again. Its nature's way of pruning. The problem is, we are so stupid, we build multi-million dollar homes right in the middle of it. I guess this will continue as long as the insurance companies or the state cover the damages.
Frank |
lak ...
You will be a happy camper.
I'm looking forward to Steve Fleischer's results from his listening session last night. He went home with six mats to try out. I think he was up really late. *lol*
Frank |
jafreeman ...
I've tried stacking three mats under each component. The effects are cumulative. The noise floor drops significantly with each mat. Is there a limit where the SQ diminishes? Who knows? If so, I haven't found that limit yet.
I haven't tried placing them side by side.
I found that having the magnetic side facing up toward the bottom of the component gives a slight improvement in SQ.
The above comments refer to my system only. I suspect that Steve Fleischer is doing some experimenting. Maybe he can add to this.
The clarity brought about by these mats is astounding.
Frank |
David ...
I believe you have an SR Grounding Block. I'd be curious to hear what one Omega E Mat would do under that. Also, I wonder if setting the SR Atmosphere on top of an E Mat would do anything.
Frank |
hifiman5 .,.,
Thanks ...
Yep, I’m OK. One problem ... its still hot here in SoCal ... and I’m trying to get this Krall girl off of me.
Moist ... Warm ... Breath .... :-)
Frank |
Tim sent me mats for a couple of trusted friends to try out on a no obligation basis. Fleischer is using six of them right now as you all know.
I received an additional eight E Mats today. This means that I will have fourteen E Mats on a temporary basis before friends pick them up this coming Sunday, I’ve already installed, and have been using six E Mats on a regular basis, but now I’ve installed another eight mats.
Tonight’s listening session will be with all fourteen mats in place. The two original ones in the circuit breaker box will remain there. I’ll be experimenting with other locations ... and/or will be stacking more under the components.
My initial listen shortly after the installation was with the Diana Krall "Live in Paris" CD. You know that cut "Oh Canada?" Well, I’ve never noticed Diana Krall’s warm, moist breath on my neck before. :-)
Frank |
Wow, Tim ...
If the room treatments are anything like Total Contact or the Omega E Mats, I can hardly wait. The first two items have completely transformed my system.
I already have a multitude of various room treatments, some of which were quite expensive. It will be interesting to see if your new product will allow for the elimination of some of the old to make room for the new. :-)
Frank |
If you have a TV service like Direct TV, try putting an Omega E Mat under your satellite box by the TV. I tried it last night with Tim's suggestion. Wow! The color saturation and clarity is improved by a very noticeable degree. If you have cable for your TV, try it under the cable box.
Frank |
fazee .....
In the circuit breaker box right behind the door.
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The combination of TC and the Omega E Mats are the real deal. As the result of using both products in combination, I can honestly say that I have finally, after almost 40 years in the hobby, ended my quest to constantly upgrade equipment. Amazing products.
Frank |
ipretiring sez: - Congratulations on your system success, and your retirement from beta testing.
Sorry friend, you misread my post. I was referring to "equipment" upgrades, not experimenting with tweaks. I don't think I'll ever be done with the tweaks. I'm a tweak-o-holic. Stay tuned ... there's another product coming down the pike that I'll be beta testing. Supposed to be a real killer.
- Do you think Tim will refund the $600 if it's cut up into a dozen pieces?
I'd say no. But then again, why would anyone want to return any of these mats once installed and the benefits enjoyed? Its not like they won't work. In fact, there's more benefit to be gained from the Omega E Mats than any other way that I can think of. In a hobby where there are phono cartridges costing $15,000, line stages in excess of $30,000, amps in excess of $100,000 and speakers in excess of $250,000, $600 for a mat seems paltry. Even if you were to buy six mats, two for the circuit breaker box and four more for under your various pieces of equipment, you'd be out only $3,600. For that dollar investment, you'd be hard pressed to get anything close to the improvement afforded by the six Omega E Mats. Frank |
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Thanks Bob and Steve ...
That’s the name of the game for me. As I discover these great tweaks, I love to share them with my friends who are fellow audiophiles as well.
Its just amazing to me how much information is left untouched on our LP’s and CD’s and not revealed to our ears. The tweaks, especially really good ones like the SR Blue fuses, SR HFT’s, the Total Contact, and now the Omega E Mats, can bring out the best in whatever equipment we may have at the present time. Even entry level systems can benefit tremendously from these four tweaks.
Steve is correct. I’ve spent an inordinate amount of time and effort to reduce micro vibrations throughout the system. There’s a lot more going on with my system that doesn’t meet the eye. Reducing micro vibrations and paying attention to room treatments has had a real payoff in the sound department. BUT ... the best so far has been the Omega E Mat. There’s been nothing like the combination of the TC and the Mats to really bring the system around to where it is today.
Tim ... You are a genius. :-)
Frank |
Last night's listening session was fantastic. As things settle in, the sound just continues to improve. Robert and I dug deeply into the record vault and came up with a real sleeper. I knew the record was good, but it NEVER sounded like this before! Definitely a demo LP for sure. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fantasy-3301-OJC-200-Dave-Brubeck-Brubeck-a-la-Mode-VG-VG/222625576056?hash...Instead of the usual Paul Desmond on alto sax, it features Bill Smith on clarinet. An amazing LP. Be sure to buy the stereo version. I don't know if there's a CD release ... If so, I haven't heard it and can't vouch for it. Highly recommended. Frank |
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Geoff ...
Thanks for making my point.
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Sbayne ..
I don’t recall saying anything about ignoring your posts. Where do you see this?
Interesting that you would take my post so personally. Maybe there’s hope for our civil society after all. :>)
Frank |
Steve ...
I tried leaning an E mat up against the crossovers on the Signature III’s with no change in the sound.
Grannyring...
The intention in my post wasn’t an attempt at negativity. Not at all. It was an attempt to get people to think beyond themselves.
Geoff ...
I know you weren't TRYING to make my point ... and that's the entire point.
Says volumes.
Frank |
tlong1958 ...
Okay, this is exactly what I was referring to in my ethics comment.
First off, TC is not "goo." Its not "magical," nor are the E Mats "magical."
There have been numerous posts here, and also in the Total Contact thread, made by numerous members who have taken the plunge to buy and try the products who return to say that there has been no "hype" or "over the top" statements made. In fact, they have reported that it goes beyond what they expected. And yet, in an attempt to attract attention to yourself (as others have as well), you casually just spout off nonsense in an attempt to demean the products, the beta testers and the manufacturer himself. If that wasn’t your intent, then how about posting your intentions in a further post. Thanks ...
You say Audiogon is getting goofier every day and getting hard to take? How about living in a society where the majority think they are owed something for nothing ... is that goofy enough for you, or what?
Another example ... you state there hasn’t been an attempt to explain what’s causing these products to work. First of all, the manufacturer doesn’t owe you a damned thing, let alone an explanation that would reveal to the world that, which he’s worked for, for so many years to accomplish.
You are correct in one thing you said, and I agree totally agree with you on it. Its your "gushing" comment. Those who have tried the TC and the E Mats ARE gushing ... and for good reason too. These products are transforming their audio systems far beyond where they could ever have dreamed they would be through using the usual channels. Its called "innovation."
Open up your wallet, tlong1958. Let all of the moths fly out, then buy a few Omega E Mats and a tube of TC, then you’ll see what all the "hype" is all about. You’ll be "gushing" too.
Order the mats first. If you like what the results are, then order the TC. They work very well together. Remember, there’s a money back guarantee on the mats, so you can’t lose. Shouldn’t be anything holding you back at this point now, right???
Let us know when you make the purchase so we can follow your progress ... and begin to "take you seriously".
Thanks ...
Frank |
2channel8 ... Here’s the link to purchase the Omega E Mats: https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis91861-perfect-path-technologies-omega-e-mat-signal-enhancer-twe...On the noise ... You can apply TC and/or the E Mats to the best audio systems and you will still reduce electronic noise that you wouldn’t know is there ... until its gone. Its all about lowering the noise floor to its lowest level. Where that "lowest" level is, is anyone’s guess. These two products, the Total Contact and the Omega E Mats, are the best at it that I’ve found in 40 years of fighting micro vibrations and applying room treatments. Members who are using these products are shocked at the improvement afforded when the noise floor is lowered to this level. Hope this helps ... Frank |
- "The accolades do, at times, seem a bit over the top, unless they're not!"
They're not. :-) |
fleschler & tommylion ...
A lot of the early stereo jazz recording were recorded in what seems like dual mono. In my experience, the early Blue Note records are the worst offenders. The Contemporary stereo recordings are some of the best records produced during the 50's & 60's. Contemporary recordings in mono have excellent SQ as well.
t_ramey ...
I'll try an E Mat under my router later today and report back. I've pasted all connections on my computer with TC to great effect, especially on the picture and sound.
Frank |
Ozzy ...
The general consensus is that the materials in the Omega E Mats somehow "charge" up the surrounding areas and/or audio equipment in which they are put. These areas have to "discharge" after the mat is removed in order to get back to a zero effect. If you are going to do an A-B comparison, it would be best to remove both the Bybee products and the E Mat completely from the circuit breaker box for a couple of days, listen, then reinstall the E Mat, letting it "charge" back up for a day or two, then listen again.
Using the terms "charge" and "discharge" may not be accurate. I just couldn't think of another term that would be appropriate.
Keep us posted.
Thanks ...
Frank |
fleschler ...
Once the heatwave burns off, and we get the onshore breeze back, come back up to my place for another listening session. Things are sounding mighty, mighty fine here. :-)
Frank |
Ozzy ...
What?? You should be able to evaluate the effects the moment you place the mats under your components ... but especially after giving them a half a day, to a day to do their thing. They continue to improve over several listening sessions.
Frank |
^^^ Yes, I've noticed that no one has seen him and "you know who" in the same place at the same time. :>)
Frank |
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tommylion ...
Where did you place the mats on the speakers? Thanks ...
Steve (fleschler) ...
Uncanny is the word. Maybe the mats should be renamed ... "The Uncanny Omega Mats. :-)
Frank |
Ozzy ... That was an excellent review. Thanks ... Try leaving the Omega E Mat undisturbed for two weeks and see what happens. If you can swing it, get one more E Mat for each component in your system. Remove the Bybee devises and install the Mats. Again, leave them alone for two weeks. If you do this, you will have this in spades ...vvv "It is now my opinion that the Omega mat excites an emotional feeling. It is sort of a feeling of a live presence that was lacking in the recorded sound. I don’t know how or why but it was easy to hear once it was reinserted."
By the way, did you listen to your car stereo while the mat was in the car?? :-) Frank |
jetter ...
Base material: Imagine a refrigerator magnet that is about 8" x 10". Flexible in a stiff way.
TC: It works like TC but the formula is different. Label is on one side, magnet on the other side. The magnet has nothing to do with the sound.
Intertwined?: No one except Tim knows.
Frank |
^^^
The combination of Total Contact and the Omega E Mats is stunning.
Ozzy ... did you remove all of your Bybee devises as suggested? The reason I ask is, either your 5% estimate is way too conservative, or there is something interfering with the mat's ability to work as advertised.
Frank |
