Perfect Path "Solutions" (PPS) eMat


Does anyone know the intricate details of how these most current PPS eMats differ, aside by appearance, from the previous two generations of PPT eMat & eMat+?.any insight will be greatly appreciated...

Thanx! Mooncrikit
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artemus_ 

I also do lighter roasts. In addition, I make my brews lighter too. If coffee is brewed too strong, all of the wonderful nuances are lost. The brew has to be just right in order to really enjoy what fine coffee has to offer.


djones51 ... 

  • "Just use some refrigerator magnets."

And the results will be exactly nothing. 

Frank   
mooncrikit ...

I don’t think there is anyone posting here who has more PPT mats in their system than I do. I have both the original mats and the "Plus" mats.

The difference between the original PPT mats and the PPT "Plus" mats are exactly what MC said. The "Plus" mats are more powerful than the original mats. Both versions provide a significant upgrade to the SQ, but the "Plus" mats are more so.

audio2design ...

I believe that the same technology was used in the mats as was used in the PPT Total Contact contact enhancer. Judicial use of Tim Mrock’s graphene formula under the label of the mat. And as for the mat itself, I believe that it was the same material as that used for refrigerator magnets. And yes, the mat material can be bought through Internet suppliers. However, the graphene formula used in developing the PPT mats died with Tim Mrock ... the genius who came up with all of these great ideas.

Those of us who fully committed to Tim Mrock’s products realize what a loss it was when Tim passed on. Why? Because with Tim and Krissy’s help, we have turned our audio systems into magic music machines. The results have to be heard in order to be believed.

Frank
audio2design ... 

Why do you continue with the " roll extrude or mold an EMI mat" nonsense. Did you read my above post? There was no rolling, extruding, or molding involved. And Tim Mrock was no neophyte. While his hobby was audio, his products were originally intended for commercial use.
Read all of the threads on the PPT products and you'll find how they save on energy consumption. Tim told me that he spent over 15 years in experimentation and research in order to end up with the final products. He was a semi-partner with Brian Kyle years ago in developing another contact enhancer. I tried it, and while good, did not come up the to standards of the PPT Total Contact. Not even close.

One thing about Tim Mrock ... he did not have a formal education in electrical engineering. Perhaps that is why he was able to keep such an open mind.

Frank
audio2design ...

Again, when it came to the mats, there was no pouring of anything into a mold.

One can pick up a pretty darned good education just from reading books, and then applying the knowledge learned from the research. As I said, 15 years spent in research, trial, and error in developing the products. 

Too bad you never had the opportunity to speak with Tim. He was a fountain of information, albeit, much of which was over my head from a technical standpoint. 

Frank 
  • "You have these right papa? ... Go get one, the mat, and look at the surface. Quite obviously that came off a real production line, and not someone’s basement shop. How do you think these things are manufactured?"

Do you read the posts of others, or is your super inflated ego too large to enable you to see past your nose??

I shared with you exactly what the mats were in a previous post. Tim DID NOT manufacture the mats. He only used the mats as a vehicle for his product. Scroll back up and you’ll find "The Secret."

< Sheesh! >

Frank
My Legacy Signature IIIs have every available surface area covered in PPT Mats. Yep, it looks weird, but the improvement in sound was really significant and well worth the effort. I listen in a low-light environment, so the mats on the speakers don’t bother me at all.

Last night the system had Janice Ian front and center ... almost like I could reach out and touch her. Also, I listened to a private recording of the L.A. Phil performing Tchaikovsky’s Second Piano Concerto transferred directly from the master tape. It was like I was being transported right into the concert hall ... and the piano was dead-on tonally. Simply amazing.

Frank
audio2design ...

  • "If the best sound you have ever heard was at an audio show, then I don't see how I can take any of your personal listening experiences seriously. There is one thing listening rooms at trade shows all have in common. They sound bad. That is not at all surprising given what it takes to acoustically treat a room for what can be considered great sound."

"Most" rooms at audio shows sound bad. This we are in agreement with. However, Randy Cooley's room was exceptional. Well, at least what he was getting out of the demo system was exceptional.

And here you are again, passing judgment on something you haven't personally experienced. You didn't hear Randy's demo system, and you certainly have never heard my system either.

If you're ever in my area ... Southern Californa, Ventura County specifically, you're welcome to come over for a listening session. The only requirement is that you don a triple layer of adult diapers prior to the session beginning.  I don't like stains on the ceiling and carpet. 

Frank
docknow ...

 
  • "Sounds like Randy's system gave oregonpapa a glimpse of what is possible and therefore what he should strive for."

That's exactly it. When I heard Randy's demo, it had the most three dimensional, and most realistic presentation I had ever heard from an audio system. A replication of that sound has been my goal ever since. With all of the PPT products in the system, especially The Gate, my system is finally there ... and well beyond. 

Frank
millercarbon ...

The only non-PPT enhanced system I've ever heard that came close to the kind of realism we are getting was Randy Cooley's room (Optimal Enchantment) at one of the audio shows. Randy always plays tasteful music during his demonstrations. He was using all of the ARC reference stuff, the big Basis turntable, and Vandersteen's best speakers. The retail value of Randy's demo system had to be several hundreds of thousands of dollars. And yet, my modest Legacy Signature IIIs are pumping out sound like that. Even better actually. 

Frank
  • "They can not get their heads around the fact that some of us do not have to hear an item personally to know it does not work. Guys, it is just knowledge and experience. It is very easy to take advantage of those that have neither. "

And then there are those of us who have been in the hobby in excess of 40 years. Those of us who have worked in the industry. Those of us who have worked the rooms at various audio shows for dealers and distributors. And finally, those of us who not only listen but know what to listen FOR.

Frank

millercarbon ...

  • "Frank, you are too kind. He is the one, probably just about the only one, I would have to disinvite."

Not me. I’d love to have the guy over for a listening session. Within the first few notes, he would have a look on his face as though he had just eaten a crap sandwich. No doubt he would try to save face by finding fault with the system, but once the session was over, he would leave and never be able to forget what he had heard. And the best part? He would try to match the sound somehow but would fail miserably, and would be chasing it for the rest of his arrogant little life. :-)

By the way Miller, I still laugh every time I think about your late-night phone call when your greeting was ... "Frank ... I had to call someone who understands!" That was truly a classic.

Frank.
mahgister ...

  • oregonpapa,
  • What are those four remote controls for?
  • What model is that little Nakamichi?

Remotes: 1. CD player. 2. Line stage. 3. Phono stage. 4. Teac CD burner.

Nakamichi DR-3. I bought the Nak here on A’gon from a kind soul for $100 in like-new condition years ago and it still works perfectly. I like to burn some of my favorite LPs onto cassette and play them back on my Mark Levinson car stereo to listen to while driving. Analog in the car sounds just lovely. And by the way, cassettes don't sound too shabby in the main system either. 

Frank
  1. "The key to audio with ANY system at ANY price,is controlling the mechanical vibrations and resonance problem, controlling the high moise floor of the house and of the system, and controlling the acoustical aspects of the room....NOTHING ELSE..."

BINGO!!!

millercarbon ...

  • "I know it. You know it. I know that you know it. Pity some of these so-called audiophiles can’t get that. Question is, the one in particular, are you really so sure he would even know it when he hears it? Would he even hear it? I don’t think so."

Good point, Miller. Most likely, he wouldn’t know what to listen FOR. Or, his preconceived notions would skew his brain into convincing him that the sound is mediocre. (it’s that glass tabletop, don’t-cha know).

audio2design ...

No front wall reflection control
- No first reflection control
- The reflections off the glass table
- The reflective equipment between the speakers
- The lack of symmetry due to the windows on one side, and the wall/records on the other side
- The blinds (that will rattle)
- The reflective pictures on the wall
- The reflective (curio/china cabinet?) in one corner behind the speakers, but not the other

And again, you assume way too much.

1. Reflections are taken care of by the Hallographs. There are the two you can see in the corners behind the speakers, but there are two more behind the listening position. I can assure you that they are very effective. In addition to the Hollographs, there are Tube Traps behind the listening position. Then, there are the SR HFTs placed around the room. Oh, and the glass tabletop is removed for listening sessions.

2. All reflective glass surfaces like the pictures you mentioned have their own tweak in place, which I will not mention at this point. (secret stuff ya know) Mahgister would approve :-) . Same with the "rattling" blinds and the curio cabinet.

3. Those older speakers you mention are like most Legacy speakers. They perform way beyond their price point. And the best part? They have continued to keep up with every improvement I’ve made to the system. I don’t know what Legacy did in building these speakers, but when it comes to the Signature IIIs and the older Legacy Focus speakers, they got the darned things right. Imagine a pair of Harbeth 40.2s but with better bass and better highs. That is what these Legacys are doing at this point. Tonally amazing like the Harbeths too.

4. You mentioned the need for a center channel in a theater system. I used to work for an ultra-high-end audio/video dealer. When I say "ultra-high-end," that is exactly what it was. Two elaborate separate rooms, one for video, one for audio. The video room used all Goldmund electronics and the big Goldmund speakers. The performance was spectacular. Guess what? There was NO center channel. We found that it messed up the natural imaging presentation. We used to talk customers out of buying a center channel speaker. Not only did they save money, but they got better sound.

And in the audio room ... we used the best electronics and speakers money could buy. Compared with what I’m getting at home using all of the PPT tweaks, and everything else I’ve done, yes ... the soundstage was bigger, it played louder, and was impressive in all ways. HOWEVER, when it comes to intimate realism, in a much smaller room, I’ve got it beat hands down.

5.
  • " And no, I don’t need to "hear" this system to know what a mess it will be."
Now right there is the problem with you and your ilk. Your type does a lot of assuming. What magic powers do you possess that allows you to know what something sounds like without hearing it? Do you have X-Men superpowers? I suppose you have super strength and X-ray vision as well? Nah ... super arrogance is your forte.

6. The invitation still stands.

Frank
^^^ I have a 2005 Lexus LS 430 with the Mark Levinson upgrade. Just about ready to turn to 72,000 miles on the odometer. 

Frank
On buying cassette tape ...

No need to buy new, expensive tapes. Try the thrift stores. They usually carry used premium tapes that someone donated. the usual cost is between 25 and 50 cents. Just check the mechanics with a pencil (you know the trick). Then use a bulk tape eraser (Radio Shack) to erase the old information. Before you erase it though, try playing it in your cassette deck. I've found that once in a while you can find some really well-recorded music on those used tapes, most likely recorded by someone who really cared.

Frank.
artemus_ 

If you are ever in the Southern California area, you would be welcome to come over for a listen.

Frank
fleschler ...

As soon as the virus is under control, you'll have to come up for a listening session. The system is WAY beyond where it was the last time you heard it. Truly a magic music machine.

Frank
audio2design ...

  • "tried Mijostyn, but we are working in an alternate universe where a top system people have heard are based around 20 year old rather average even at the time Legacy speakers complete with some really bad integration of the two tweeters."

You are totally clueless.

And by the way, the Signature IIIs have four tweeters, two rear-firing, and not just two as you stated. Here’s some information on the rear-firing tweeters from the owner’s manual:

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/527571/Legacy-Signature-Iii.html?page=21#manual

Frank
^^^ Oh, and I forgot to mention ... those reflective blinds received the copper foil treatment too. I used small pieces so unless pointed out, one would never know they are there. 

Frank
mahgister ...

Thank you for the kind words. They are very much appreciated. 

I took a peek at your system page with all of your experiments. We're thinking along the same lines. For example, "audio2designs" took issue with the reflective glass on the pictures hanging on my walls. Well, I discovered copper foil as you did for your "golden plates." A little piece of copper foil with adhesive on one side, in each corner of each picture, made an improvement in getting the reflections under control. Also, I discovered long ago the value of placing heavy material on top of the speakers. It is like adding mass to the speakers. I used to use cinder blocks but now use a heavy granite platform on each speaker plus heavy lead fishing weights. Like you, I have spent an inordinate amount of time and effort to reduce micro-vibrations throughout the system. Unlike you, and much to your credit, I spent a lot of money to attain my low micro-vibrations. You've done it on a budget. Kudos to you for that. 

I really enjoy your posts. Keep 'em coming. :-)

Frank
^^^ Carpathian ...

Glad you asked. Sweet Maria's has been offering some really great Ethiopian coffees lately. Very fruity with hints of nutmeg and brown sugar.

If anyone is interested in home roasting, here's the place to go. Great service and prices too.

www.sweetmarias.com


 Frank 
mijostyn ...

  • "I had an upper-middle-class Jewish upbringing ..."

As a person of Italian heritage, I have done an in-depth analysis as to the difference between Italian mothers and Jewish mothers.

The Italian mother says: "Eat your dinner or I will KILL you!"

The Jewish mother says: "Eat your dinner or I will kill MYSELF!"

Oh, and your mom used the cord of the coffee pot. My mom ignored the cord and just threw the coffee pot.

Frank
Tom, the owner of sweetmarias, travels the world looking for excellent coffee grown on small, family-owned organic farms. These coffees are unavailable in your local markets. The person I bought my speakers from was a home-roaster. When I told him that I loved good coffee, and what I was drinking at the time, he told me about home-roasting. He sent me four varieties of freshly roasted coffees. Some from Guatemala, some from Columbia, and an African coffee. I brewed some up. I was hooked from the first sip. 

To relate these coffees to audio, think of Guatemalan coffee as a Koetsu Rosewood Signature, and an Ethiopian coffee to a Dynavector 17D. :-)

Frank
  marqmike   >>>
  • "I haven’t seen this said before, but I find it true in my case also.
  • And thank you again for the tip on the PPT TC."

    You're welcome. TC was an amazing product. Too bad it left us when Tim passed. 

    Frank
1971gto455ho >>>

1. No machinery necessary. The material can be purchased on the Internet. It is the same magnetic material used to make refrigerator magnets. The "secret" lies between the mat and the label. The mat is only a vehicle to carry the SECRET formula that was being used.

2. Yes, there was a production line. It consisted of folding tables in the basement of the seller/inventor’s house. Genius prevails no matter what. Hey, even Bill Gates started in his garage, right?

3. Pictures? I had a lot of pictures sent my way via my phone. They are long gone at this point. Besides, there’s no facility on A’gon to post pictures in these forums.

4. Technical paperwork? What for?

5. UL Testing? Why? There is no current flowing through the mats. They don’t plug into DC outlets.

6. Manufacturing details? Yeah, sure. 15 years of research put into the product, and you want to know how they are manufactured and all of the details of the formula needed to make them work? Call me crazy, but I really don’t think Tim or Krissy would have wanted you to have the information. No offense - nothing personal.

7. Patents? I think some A’gon members did the research and came up with two patents. Their findings are located somewhere deep in the PPT threads.

8. Education? Bill Gates dropped out of school.

9. China? Does China offer a 60-day, no-questions-asked return policy on anything they manufacture??

10. So you have "faith" in China? Really? Okay, I have a world-wide pandemic I’d like to sell you.

Frank
1971gto455ho ...

Try to be nice. Your input will go a lot further here and will be looked upon as having a lot more credibility if you refrain from knocking products that you know nothing about and have never tried for yourself.

Frank
MC ...

That first video reminded me of my first sip of a friend's home-roasted coffee. The person I bought my speakers from asked me if I liked coffee. I told him that, yes, I buy the best. At the time I was having  Gevalia coffee home delivered on a regular basis.

https://www.gevalia.com/bagged-coffee/

My friend quickly informed me that in comparison to home roasting, Gevalia was pure garbage. He sent me a quarter pound of four different varieties that he had recently roasted. Well, from the first sip, I knew what I had to do. So, I found this site, and have been a customer for years now: 

www.sweetmarias.com.

Once one learns to home roast, it is like going from the crappy digital of the 80s to recordings from the Golden Age that used tube mics.  It is like going from Scoresby blended scotch to a fine single-malt. 

The price is right too. I probably spend an average of $6.50 per pound for the green beans. I wait for "Tom" at Sweet-Maria's to list beans that he ranks at 90 or better before I buy. Of course, there's the initial expense of the roasting equipment, but once you have it, it is clear sailing after that.

This is the roaster I would recommend.

https://www.sweetmarias.com/drum-roasting-starter-kit-2.html

It has a smoke filter in it so that you can roast in your kitchen instead of out on the patio like all of the others. I have to warn you though ... the green beans last for years if properly taken care of. So, like vinyl records, one seems to accumulate a lot of different varieties. Right now I probably have around twenty pounds of 90+ rated green beans in the pantry.

Here's the brewer I would recommend. Get the large one.

https://www.sweetmarias.com/yama-vacuum-brewer-two-sizes.html

Also, you would want the metal filter for the brewer. It is easier to clean and lasts a long time. Plus there is no paper filter involved to affect the taste of the coffee:

https://www.sweetmarias.com/yama-stainless-steel-reusable-filter.html

Frank