Output tube types - need some opinions


I'm starting to think about my next DIY project and would like to build a push-pull tube amp (monoblocks) with a single pair of output tubes. I do not plan on using any global feedback, but will probably include the option to run ultra-linear if the tubes support it. 

I don't have much experience with different tube types, so I would like to get some opinions about differences in SQ strengths and weaknesses of different types. I am currently using a pair of 300B parallel SET amps I finished last year (see my virtual system for some details) and like what they do. For this next amp, I'm hoping for more headroom (at least 30W), a bit better macro-dynamics, and maybe a touch less warmth. 

I'm not looking for kit suggestions. I plan to build these amps from scratch. But I don't want to work with voltages any higher than 600V which rules out some options. 

I listen mostly to jazz, folk, electronica, classic rock, and enjoy vocals. Excellent vocal performance is probably most important to me, but nice soundstage and decent imaging is also a priority. I use powered subs to cover the bottom couple octaves, so deep bass performance isn't too important, but good midbass performance is. My high frequency hearing isn't what it used to be, so extension out to 20khz and beyond will be lost on me. 

I've been thinking about using KT150s but I don't really know whether these are a good choice. I would appreciate some help deciding. Thanks. 

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Depending on your power requirements, any pushpull from a 300B, 2a3 or 45 tube would be a worthwhile project (I particularly like the 45, but, it is very low in output).  Spend all that you reasonably can on the output transformers.  I like vintage transformers such as Accrosound TO 330 or Chicago transformers.

For pentode/tetrode tubes, I am a big fan of 6L6 and KT66 tube.  Even more exotic would be the Western Electric tube that is close to the 6L6--350B, which is a really nice sounding, albeit expensive, tube.  My own pushpull amp runs the Western Electric 349 tube (very low output, even more expensive than a 350B).  Again, the output transformer is very important.  The vintage ones I like were those from RCA 6L6 amps and from Northern Electric amps.  The Western Electric 171C transformer, despite its limited bandwidth, is extraordinarily nice sounding with these tube types, but it is quite hard to and pricey.  

I have not heard any amp built with KT120 or KT150 tubes that I really liked--somewhat hard and brittle sounding.  I feel the same way about most KT88 amps as well.  I actually prefer most "budget" El84 amps to those using the more powerful alternatives.

By the way, I really like your build projects posted on the internet.  I am particularly impressed with the way you make each project your own, in terms of design and execution, and the build itself is meticulous, and beautiful in appearance.

Thanks for the feedback and ideas. The 300B is one of the tubes that was on my list to consider. My only reservation was the limited power and, to some extent, the cost of the better tubes. On the other hand, it would give me an excuse to try a set of Takatsukis to go with my WE reissues 😀.

@larryi - thanks for the complements. 

I have been researching various brands of transformers. Are the Tango transformers still being made, or are these only available used? Any feedback on Monolith Magnetics? I've also been looking at Toroidy, but I haven't seen many people using toroidal transformers for OPTs. 

 

I don't think Tango is still made; a shame because they are reputed to be quite good.  A local dealer that also makes its own amplifiers likes Hammond for custom-made transformers (they will wind to your specifications).  I think he also likes Electra-Print.  Another friend likes the Japanese Hashimoto transformers.  I don't know anything about Monolith Magnetics, except that their stuff looks good.

  Are you on the  Alpe d'Huez ? No wonder you want more HEAD ROOM 😎. Much respect to you for your choice of rides and your choice of amps. Looking forward to hearing about your built. Ride hard, Mike B.