Old Gyrodec and some issues.. Analog Gurus Please chime in!!


Hey All, 

I just bought a new-used(very used) Gyrodec w/ Zeta tonearm and Sumiko Talisman Virtuoso (B) cartridge. I am have a couple of issues that I need to solve. 

1. Due to limitations of my room the TT will need to be placed about 15 feet from my main preamp/amp. This is a very low output cartridge, I believe like .26 mV. Given this fact is it possible or advisable to run a long interconnect (12-14 feet) from the phono preamp to my main system? 

2. I need recommendations for a good phono-stage that can push this tiny signal. My budget for new/used phono stage would be around $500. Or should I look into a good higher output MM cart? Any direction would be greatly appreciated.

3. Recommendations for the tonearm cable (the cable running from the tonearm to the phono stage) It looks to be a 5 pin DIN connection. Budget is $150-ish. 

Thanks for your thoughts and advice in advance!!!!
128x128birdfan
Buy a Project Phono Box (transistor) and run a long IC to your line stage preamp. Any one from Audioquest, Kimber, Monster ... will do just fine! Least costly is fine! Ditto for the phono cable! Paying more DOES NOT bring ANY improvement in SQ (so burn me at the stake!). Keep the Talisman cartridge (a fine choice!). Real SQ improvement is the result of careful alignment of your cartridge (overhang, offset angle, azimuth and vertical tracking angle). Take care of this and don't waste money on fancy wire!
You have a truly fine TT, arm and cartridge! No need for any costly mods! Get the cartridge alignment done right and you will have years of excellent analog sound to enjoy from your favorite LP's!
@bensturgeon

This is a very low output cartridge, I believe like .26 mV.
Not correct, the output of the Talisman Virtuoso B is 1.8mv.
This cartridge is designed to work into a MM phono stage with 47k load. 

I used to sell these in the 80's and they matched well with tube phono preamps, but if you are going to use a long phono cable between phono and line stage, then you are probably better off with a solid state phono.

@dover 

I looked around the interwebs and you appear to be correct. I was confused as the Vinylengine listing for this was .26 MV, but I didn't look closely enough as the listing was actually for the Virtuoso "A" not "B".  Good catch!!

Any recommendations for a decent phono stage for this? roberjerman above recommended a Project Phono Box, but I have had a bad experience with a broken phono stage from them and they did not honor their warranty and tough to deal with/communicate with. 

Any direction would be appreciated!!! 
I'm not necessarily advocating that you lay out big bucks for wire, but I must point out that roberjerman's blanket assertions that basically any wire will do because there are no sound quality improvements to be had is definitely "misinforming" and misguided, in my experience.  I have used variously with my SME V arm the Van den Hul 501 cable that came with it, and then a series of Straightwire Maestro, Cardas Golden Ref, Silver Breeze, and Stealth Hyperphono - - they each sound distinctly different, and they more or less represent in order a progression of unmistakably improved sound quality in my system.  If one couldn't hear the differences and improvements that I have heard, I wouldn't know what to think or say.

So, don't think the wire won't influence the end point sound quality.  What the right "jump off point" is for a particular wire selection is certainly much to be debated, and is a personal decision of taste and budget.
I tend to agree that cables/wires do have their own sonic attributes/signatures. However, I am also not a deep pocketed music fan, and think that with uber expensive wire you tend to have a diminishing rate of return as the price gets higher. If my system were a highly resolving 80K system maybe I would play with the spendy, opulent, cables, but at my stage of finance I must start with basic and affordable and move up to higher quality when finances permit. 

I appreciate the thoughts. Any specific recommendations for a phono stage at or below $500 other than the Ortofon mentioned above?
@bensturgeon
On audiogon currently there is a Musical Surroundings Phenomena II for sale at $524 from the Music Room. This has adjustable gain and impedance. It has had good reviews and is almost certainly a decent step up from the Project. That would be a good buy for you in my view.


If you can find a dynavector P75 (mkii, mkiii, or mkiv) in your price range it would serve you well and offer you flexibility for cartridge changes in the future.