Old Audioquest cables


Anyone holding on to their old Audioquest cables? My twenty-year-old silver-surfaced copper AQ Lapis RCA interconnects are still working brilliantly. There is indeed something to be said here of high quality that seems to last forever.
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As long as you like them, that's all that matters. I've had both the old and new AQ designs, and prefer the new ones. But that's just me. I'm not telling you to sell your cables.
We use our older AudioQuest Diamond Balanced interconnects and Sterling and Midnight speaker cables in sub, sides and rear channels of our theater system.

They work well and that's expected. Their OEM high price means quality materials and craftsmanship. Considering the fact that there's no moving parts - I expect them to last a lifetime.

While their performance may not be cutting edge, they work more than well enough for our home theater support channels.
I haven't compared the old designs with the new. What I wanted to say is that I am rather amazed that the old ones are still working very well. I wonder whether others here are still using their very old ones that seem to be able to withstand the ravages of time esp. oxidation.
My favorite speaker cable is the Audioquest Crystal. And yes, I have tried many different cables, some costing substantially more.
Yes, the Crystal is of the same vintage. I have the 20-yr-old AQ Sterling SC and it still works well though I use it for home theatre.
I didn't think so, but a quick look in the closet showed I still have an old pair of Midnight 3 speaker cables.
I haven't used them in many years, but I'll bet they still work fine.
it's just hard to imagine what could go wrong even in twice as much years with any home audio hookup.
I always thought oxidation would sully the quality of old cables but apparently not.
My bad. I have forgotten that the Lapis is actually solid silver.
Here's a good read about it :-

http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=cables&m=154391

Makes you choke up with emotion.....
I am still using 2 pairs of the AQ Diamond X2 silver conductor ICs, one pair from CDP to preamp and the other from the preamp to amp. I use one pair of the AQ Lapis X2 silver conductor ICs from the phono preamp to preamp. Speaker cables are the AQ Sterling 3.


My bad. I have forgotten that the Lapis is actually solid silver.
Here's a good read about it :-
02-16-15: Jon2020
Which version? Just going from memory the early version of the Lapis cable was copper. Again just going from memory it was the X1 version.

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I found this doing a search in the AA archives.

AA posted message.

Re: Any Audioquest history buffs? Question about 'Lapis'
Posted by connlyra@gol.com on August 6, 2000 at 12:10:17
In Reply to: Any Audioquest history buffs? Question about 'Lapis' posted by DeadFish on August 4, 2000 at 16:09:05:

I don't know what the "original" version was like, but I did have an early version of Lapis. Each polarity used PCOCC (?) copper strands, arranged in a hollow-core circle in alternation with similar-diameter teflon strands, so the copper strands were insulated from touching each other by the teflon.
I don't know what the non-conductive core was constructed of, perhaps some sort of twisted fiber. The teflon-copper-core assembly for each polarity was surrounded by first tape and then an outer jacket which may have been teflon, but it could also have been PE.

Two of these assemblies were lightly twisted around each other within a conductive foil shield with a drain wire, and the entire thing was jacketed within dark-blue PVC.

As I recall, it was quite nice sounding. Clear, open and detailed, perhaps a tiny bit on the hard-sounding side, but neither harsh nor grainy. There was a slightly later version, visually more or less identical, that used 6N high-purity copper (as was also the case with the Emerald IC), and this sounded rather better.

jcarr

Jim
I started to work in audio in 1998.I remember those cables very well. I owned the Diamond+ loudspeakercable at that time. This was the topmodel they had at that time.

To be honest we live in another world now regarding audio and cables. The latest cables of Audioquest are superior in timing and accuracy. The airtubes of the new Audioquest interconnects give a much sharper individual focus of instruments and voices.

I would not even want them for free in my set!
"They work well and that's expected. Their OEM high price means quality materials and craftsmanship. Considering the fact that there's no moving parts - I expect them to last a lifetime."

I'm a big AQ fan, but the list price has nothing to do with anything. Look up what the AQ Python used to sell for, and then look at a King Cobra. The 2 cables are identical.
"The airtubes of the new Audioquest interconnects give a much sharper individual focus of instruments and voices.

I would not even want them for free in my set!
Bo1972."

I'd be also suspicious about that dorn airtubes of te new Audioquest interconnects.
Jea48,
Mine is Lapisx3. I think that would be solid silver core with silver-surfaced copper as drainwire. Yes, the earlier versions are purely copper.
J.
More info on Lapisx3 :-

http://www.lelong.com.my/audioquest-audiotruth-lapis-x3-silver-interconnect-cable-usa-sollehah-155544065-2014-10-Std-P.htm

Czarivey,
I tend to agree with you about the airtubes. I wonder how long the effect of the airtubes would be.

Bojack,
Would the air leak out over time, thus reducing the effectiveness of the tubes?
"Bojack,
Would the air leak out over time, thus reducing the effectiveness of the tubes?
Jon2020 (Reviews | Threads | Answers | This Thread)"

The air tubes are not air tight. They're used like spacers and/or dielectric material.
2-17-15: Bo1972
I started to work in audio in 1998.I remember those cables very well. I owned the Diamond+ loudspeakercable at that time. This was the topmodel they had at that time.

To be honest we live in another world now regarding audio and cables. The latest cables of Audioquest are superior in timing and accuracy. The airtubes of the new Audioquest interconnects give a much sharper individual focus of instruments and voices.

I would not even want them for free in my set!

LOL!! Bo knows BS!

Don't fret Jon, Bo is famous around these boards.
Read some of his soap box preaching, he is quite the comedian!!
No one thinks more highly of Bo than Bo!
Audio is much more simple guys! It is all about comparing. And the best and most convincing cable is the best. And yes Audioquest uses sometimes the same material in different cables. It is as it is.

I sold many Audioquest cables at clients who also had cables of competitors. The new series like the Water and Fire are really great for the money.

Audio shootouts are the most fun thing in audio. Just use your own ears, it never will be more easy!!
Pssssssssssssssssssssst..........be very very careful. You don't
want to loose the air of the tubes. You will get a flat sound!!
:)
Now, this is getting interesting.
2 possibilities here :-
1. They should be air-tight and if they leak over time, SQ should deteriorate
2. They are not air-tight and would have no degradation in SQ forever.

Which is the audiotruth? :)
You can choose for an upgrade......extra thick transparent tube around the cable. And you never will loose any air!!!!
Bo of course it should be air-tight! If you loose an air in the tube, you'll get your sound FLAT, just like a tire! I'm guessin' that was the whole idea of airtubes in analogy with tire -- GENIOUS!.
Now I DEFINITELY know that FLAT sound is sound without AIR.
I judge cables for their quality and sound. I don't F. care
which technique they use. I am only interested in those audio
tools which give me the best results possible. That is why a
brand for me can be changed for another brand when it gives a
better endresult.

Audioquest has a big advantage over almost any brand at this
moment. Over time things can change. Because time and
technique go on and on.

Audioquest has done a lot of research and this had paid of.
Many other brands ( Like MIT and Kimber) have been sleeping.
How stuppid you can be!
"02-18-15: Jon2020
Now, this is getting interesting.
2 possibilities here :-

2. They are not air-tight and would have no degradation in SQ forever.

Which is the audiotruth? :)"

They're not air tight. The tubes are used as spacers/dielectric.

"1. They should be air-tight and if they leak over time, SQ should deteriorate"

Even they were sealed, or air tight, it wouldn't matter. What would the difference be if. It would be the same kind of air in the tubes anyway.
What do the 'extra' airtubes do? Because this is the thing
that really matters.....

They are more open sounding, but the biggest difference is
that you get a sharper physical individual focus of
instruments and voices. This makes listening to music more
exiting.
Zd542,
Your answer would mean that the newer designs with the airtubes should last as long as the older ones without any degradation of SQ. So, my initial concern about this is unfounded.

Another reason why I stop buying the newer AQ designs is the proliferation of counterfeits. I have read that the fake packaging can be hard to tell from the real thing.
You always need to buy Audioquest from dealers. I can see by
photos if they are real. For customers it can be hard to judge.
The chinese people are good in making copies. They use very low
quality material inside. When you are not sure, don't buy it. Or
send an email to Audioquest. Use your common sense.
"Zd542,
Your answer would mean that the newer designs with the airtubes should last as long as the older ones without any degradation of SQ. So, my initial concern about this is unfounded."

Absolutely. The tubes are not air tight. Keep in mind also, that AQ cables all have a lifetime warranty, and they're very good about it. If there's any question, they'll insist that you send them in so they can check them out.

One thing I'll add, is that I've owned AQ cables from just about every period in they're history, and I do feel that the newer versions sound better overall. But don't read too much into what I just said. If you're happy with the cables you have, keep them. I have some AQ from the early 90's, and they're still like new. I see no reason why they would ever go bad.
It is not about bad, just better.....
"02-18-15: Bo1972
It is not about bad, just better....."

I didn't mean it like that. My old AQ cables are still in very good condition. I don't think that they will break for a very long time.
Gee, AQ must not have sold that many of the Lapis and Diamond silver conductor IC cables beings there are not that many for sale on the used market. I checked the classifieds here on Agon and on AA, none to be had. I did find a couple pair of Lapis X3 with balanced ends though. Those must be something special though, for the price the sellers are asking.

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/audioquest-interconnect-cable
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The Lapis X3 with unbalanced connectors appear to be much more reasonably priced.

Of course since there are so many fakes out there, AND Bo says they are garbage anyway, why even bother?? ;^)
Well, I am most certainly keeping mine. :)
When you think you can buy AQ for extrme low prices, use your head. Buying cables at dealers is the way to go.

I did some research in the last 2 years in fake cables. Those chinese make every brand you name. It is not only AQ, Norost, Kimber, Purist Audio, Transparent and many more. You find the chinese companies who make them very easily on the internet. I also found the people who sell them. I call them Satan people. They need to be destroyed!
I doubt the counterfeiters would be silly enough to sell fakes on the cheap. That would be too obvious. Audiophiles do look a gift house in the mouth. If a deal is too good to be true, it ain't. The fakes have to be sold at normal prices to convince buyers they are getting the real deal - plain and simple fake business strategy, I guess.
No, fakes are sold at low prices, that is what drives the market. People want a $5000 cable for only $1000, and there are folks out there who can make that happen.

Bo is right, they do rip of every manufacturer. However, I don't see fake dealers as any more evil than the manufacturers/dealers who are looking to rip you off as well. The whole cable industry is about ripping people off, whether you buy legitimately, or fakes. YMMV.
eBay is loaded with fakes. One trick, if it's not too obvious, is to claim in the ad the cables are gently used or only used for a week, you know, to throw people off the track. Lol
Jmcgrogan2,
Why would anyone pay 1k for 5k cables and not know or suspect that they would be fake? Surely, as audiophiles, they would be able to tell that the SQ isn't up to snuff..... unless, the people buying fakes are not audiophiles but just want bragging rights. That would be very sad indeed.
when fake makes more sense, it takes over the market. everyone knows that paying for home audio cables $5k makes no sense.
Purely from a SQ point of view, paying for fakes at whatever price doesn't make any sense. It can't mean that a 1k fake of a 5k cable will sound as good as a bona fide 1k cable. If so, might as well just buy the 1k real mccoy. But of course, no bragging rights.
Audiophiles trained to trust own ears. That's why they can buy fake and if sounds OK not to bother splicing underneath the tubes and connectors. Blind A/B in most cases will fail to recognize sonically which one is which.

I also found WBT connectors sold out of China that look EXACTLY same, but sold for only $5..7 per piece vs. $50 for the real ones.
I use and like audioquest products a lot. But I do not find much truly unique about the associated sound typically. They are just well made products that seem to do their job well. I like that and would never hesitate to recommend using them for that very reason. I doubt I could pick them out reliably though in a blind a/b test in many cases. Unless compared to something truly more unique and radical soundwise.

For example, I have compared MIT and DNM reson ICs in my system and these two are so radically different in both design and resulting sound that I believe I could usually distinguish between the two reliably.
In Germany there is an internetshop who sells many fake cables.
It is difficult to stop them. It is getting a sick world. They
ask 2000 euro for a fake Wild Blue Yonder. But they buy it for
about 250 dollar in China.

They also sell fake Kimber, Transparent and Nordost. Audioquest
is already on it. AQ told me that it is difficult to stop
them.
If AudioQuest, Kimber, Transparent and Nordost can't stop these very bad sellers, Bo can!
Once you find them Bo, Eins, Zwei, Drei -- call Polizei and you'll be on front covers of Stereophile, TAS and other magazines. We believe in you Bo, so help you Schwartz
What the hell is "purple plated copper"?
You have to read better, they are difficult to stop. So you see hoe easy it is to sell fake cables.

I see that his website in Germanay has been changed a lot.I guess they warned him. But at Audiomarkt.de he still sells fake cables.
Maybe Audiomarkt.de is actually not *.de?
"02-19-15: Czarivey
when fake makes more sense, it takes over the market. everyone knows that paying for home audio cables $5k makes no sense.
Czarivey (System | Threads | Answers | This Thread)"

You're right about that. If you don't have at least 10k in cables, they might as well be fake.

"02-19-15: Bo1972
You have to read better, they are difficult to stop. So you see hoe easy it is to sell fake cables."

Bo, in the US we say ho, not hoe. Big difference. They're both tools, but they work a little differently.
I write very fast, and mostly don't read it back. My apologizes for the mistakes.

They sell it for 8-10 times the price they have to pay to the chinese. They can't say; we didn't know they were fake.
Use your common sense. How stuppid can you be to buy cables at Ebay!