Ohm Speakers, thoughts?

I have long dismissed Ohm speakers as anything that could be competitive in todays state of the art. But of course I want to believe that this "old" American company still has some horsepower left to compete with asian built speakers built by people that take in less money in a week than my dog sitter takes in the couple hours it takes to let my dogs out to crap when I am away for a day :)? The reviews I have read here and there report incredible imaging but what about other aspects of the Ohm 5 II. Any thoughts?
I have no doubt that the Walsh driver stomps all over Maggies, which are the best selling "audiophile approved" speaker in the world. As such, i'll use them as a point of reference.

By re-designing the Walsh motor structure and suspension, thereby making it more efficient and higher in nominal impedance, you make it easier to drive. As we all know, Maggie's aren't the easiest to drive and are also "finicky" when it comes to placement. In this regard, the "modernized" Walsh walks away from the Maggie.

On top of that, the Walsh's have TREMENDOUS bottom end, something that you couldn't pry out of a pair of Maggie's. In this regard, the Walsh RUNS away from the Maggie.

The Walsh's also have the deepest and widest dispursion of any driver / speaker system that im aware of, making for a FAR more "engulfing" musical experience. One can gain the sonic "wrap around" feeling that one normally only obtains from listening VERY nearfield, a presentation so "thick" that it feels like you're walking through it ( varies with recording ). Compare that to the presentation of the Maggies, which sounds "ambient" and "spacious" only when sitting in a limited area, and the Walsh once again wins.

Given the single driver point source with no crossover parts to soak up power or add their sonic signature, you don't have time or phase errors. The "one driver, direct drive" approach also produces excellent harmonic structure, prat and coherence, as many of the "full range" afficionado's will testify to. Maggies have a crossover, use multiple drivers and lack the warmth and bottom end required to have great "prat" ( in my opinion ).

To sum things up, it is a fabulous driver with GOBS of potential that absolutely kills the "audiophile reference". Would the average audiophile recognize this? My answer is NO. Most audiophiles are sheep and led by their noses via printed reviews and the herd mentality of the internet. Even if the glossy rags and internet "herd" were to jump on the bandwagon, it would be a short-lived ride till the "next best thing" comes along.

Most audiophiles are more concerned with dimunitive size in a speaker ( monitors ) OR MEGA sized boxes with a lot of drivers. Maggies are kind of a cross of these two i.e. large frontal section but very "petite" in terms of depth. On top of that, the Walsh's are so unconventional in appearance, operation and placement that many would be turned off.

As such, i think that it would become a niche product, just like those using SET's, single drivers, nearfield listening, etc... That's because the design approach and presentation wraps up several different aspects of what these people love and are after, all into one package. As we all know, those specific types of listeners are but a small part of the audiophile market, which is why i think it would be doomed to remain a product of interest to only a select few. Much like it is now, but on a slightly wider scale. Sean

PS... To be honest, i've never heard a Heil system that was worth listening to. Having said that, i'm quite certain that the installations and support componentry were to blame. This is probably most of the problem with those that had complaints about the Ohm's too, especially "way back when".

The technology behind the Heil driver, much like the Walsh, is pretty incredible as compared to more conventional designs. It's too bad we don't have any designers / engineers around today that are willing and capable of introducing and properly implimenting "ground breaking designs" like these. Instead, we keep getting re-hashed "monkee coffins", albeit better designed and better sounding "monkee coffins".
The Ohm A in its current state of Millersound mods may in fact surpass everything available, based on it's inherent design executed properly. That said, the Magneplaner wave launch is still bigger on piano music and the reason for its typical audiophile aproval. Dynamics on the Ohm A destroy the Maggie though, and the spooky 360 effect is just not there on the MG series in any model....Pick your preference.
I find the look of the Ohm A/F to be quite acceptable and even attractive compared to the boring "coffin" and mostly uninteresting designs being offered today. The Vadersteen 5 is somewhat similar in appearence and seems to do very well. The 70s offered the most innovation of any era in Audio and is unlikely to be repeated.
Regarding audiophile cattle, you know the outcome before it happens.........unless the price is real world. This is the number one factor. Seasoned music lovers will hear the reality of things, they will see the hobby reignited with enthusiasum because they will never have experienced this form of 3D. We are not talking ribbon driver clarity or transparency here, but genuine 3D..the likes of which no speaker in recent or past memory has achieved. I think with the right group of people,(like the Legall crew),this most important and exciting of designs can become a new reality.
My ears have been conditioned through the years with Quad, Infinity, IMF, LS3/5A, Apogee and many other audiophile approved items and I am quite sure of the value of this product.
"Ground breaking designs" seem to have ended in favor of the money and business realities of our current generation. This sort of dedication was part of a more serious and simple social climate where music, not money was the driving force. Is it any wonder that no current audio offerings remotely touch on these breakthrough items.
It does not have to be this way. Current (ad nauseum)loudspeakers with the same over and over drivers and /sound are everywhere....gauranteed to bore you...as much as "classic rock" FM radio.
Frap, or anyone else, count me in as a future purchaser of a new and improved version of the Ohm F utilizing a true Walsh designed driver. If the speaker had a MSRP of around $5000, it may cause many audiophiles to give them a serious audition. I can imagine many listeners liking what these speakers do, even if they only sound identical to the original ones. My hope is someone who can make this happen reads this thread and has an ah-ha moment.

Check book and pen in hand and now just waiting to order...:>)