Oh no, there's metal in your records!


IMO, this is completely out of left field. But, here’s the story. On Saturday, there was a "seminar" at the local stereo shop about why you should listen to high quality records. It turned out to be a 3 hour commercial for this dude who wants to market his services as a "HQ record shopper" of sorts. For a mere $240, you get an annual subscription to his services. You pick a title, and he will find the "best available" version of the record... so you can buy it. And, when he brings it to you, he’ll bring other similar records for you to buy. Most of these records are in the $50 to $100 range, so this "service" clearly not for me. Plus, I kind of like the hunt for a gem.

Anyway, the point of the post: One thing he said is that some older vinyl has metallic content embedded in the vinyl, and that it can interact with your cartridge’s magnet, causing distortion. Therefore, you should only buy the newest, most pristine (hence most expensive) vinyl records... from him, of course. I didn’t want to challenge him on the spot in front of others, but in my mind I’m thinking this is the most ridiculous claim I’ve ever heard. Even more ridiculous than gems you place on your speakers to change the way they sound... but, I digress. I understand he wants to show the true value of his "service"... but, seriously? Interesting business idea... but metal in the vinyl?

Just for fun, I did a little bit of google searching for metal in vinyl, and I found links to Metallica and Whitesnake records, but no stories about the metal embedded in the vinyl. So, can you prove me wrong, or just remind me that I’m not all that gullible. Please! Anyone have any information about such a wild claim?
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@chakster Right... but this is a very rare thing, and you’d have to seek it out. He was talking about your typical run of the mill vinyl.

@jmcgrogan2 I know what you mean! But, because it’s vinyl, that’s desirable distortion. :^)
I think the guy was referring to the carbon black as mentioned by @whart .  I am not convinced it would have any effect on the cartridge, nor on the guy's ability to sell subscriptions, so I'm not sure why he brought it up.  

He was trying to push albums on clear vinyl, and they probably were some Clarity Vinyl records, I bet.  However, reading around about the Clarity releases, it seems to be hit-or-miss on the quality of the pressings.  Seems to me that would affect the playback much more than any quantity of carbon in the vinyl attracting the cart's magnet.
For the record (pun intended) I have had success with Gruv Glide helping to reduce static and reduce those pops and clicks.  
@ivan_nosnibor I think that's the concept of the carbon black.  But, I still don't believe it makes any appreciable difference.  I've also heard that colored vinyl has its own limitations.  

In the end, I think my BS meter was on target.  If it sounds good, just enjoy it!  I'm not ready to trade all my records for clear vinyl.  :-)
I don't believe that "hunks" of vinyl are randomly ground off the record and then stick to my cantilever.  If that were the case, over time, the cantilever would become larger and the records would be smooth and make no sound.  

I think the crap you see stuck to the cantilever is more likely dust and particles that were attracted to the album by static, and are now attracted to the stylus by static. 
I see that it's a dirty cartridge, and agree with your comments that it's dirty, and that dirt could cause a problem.  But, otherwise what are you saying?  Are you suggesting that this is metallic material that was "scraped off and attracted magnetically" from the records by the magnet?  
@lewm I think you are spot-on!  Great analogy.  I love analogies, and this is a great one!
The effects of magnetic particulates in old carts makes one wonder if there is a...
We haven't established that there are any magnetic particulates.  In fact, my conclusion is that it's unlikely.  I've learned that cartridges get dusty, just like everything else.  Over time, static charge plus moisture in the air or whatever, and those dust particles get stuck to the cartridge or cantilever.  So, a little cleaning is in order (just like under the couch and on our records) to keep things tidy.  

I definitely don't draw the conclusion that we should now replace cartridges regularly because metal is being stripped from the vinyl and attaching itself magnetically to the cartridge and cantilever.  

Moonglum, I think you are trolling here.  You've implied that the production of vinyl rubs metal particles off the "Tungsten steel grinder blades", which are then deposited in the non-virgin vinyl, which is then rubbed by the diamond needle, which pulls the metal out of the vinyl.  And then, the "super strong magnet" in the cartridge sucks these particles to itself, like an electromagnet.  And in the process, the cantilever grows to the point that it cannot move any longer.  I assume you are also implying that the diamond is harder than the vinyl, even though the vinyl is strong enough to abrade Tungsten steel?  
  
Next, I suppose you will tell me I need to lift the speaker cable off the floor to prevent static electricity from "smearing" the sound, and that some unnamed world-renowned genius thinks we should sprinkle diamond dust over tubes to make them sound more sparkly.  JK... I don't wish to go there.  Sarcastic humor.  

This train is well off the tracks now...

Who is this unnamed source?  And what problem is this source trying to help you resolve?  The original question is about metallic content in vinyl.  What super strong magnet, and what vacuum motor are you talking about?  

Even if the record has metallic content, like Carbon Black, it isn't "rubbing off" continuously such that it's coating a cantilever.  If that was the case, all of my 50 year old records would be either smooth, or unlistenable, and my cartridge would look like a wooly bear.